Having Once Accepted Christ as Savior, You Cannot Lose Your Salvation (traditions, Mormonism)
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I am not a mormon.. but it really bothers me that there seems to be some amount of segragation here.. who are you to say that the mormons have it wrong and you have it right? How do you measure up? Because to me what you believe in can be considered a cult as well.. so could my beliefs..
Do you think that God cares if you are mormon or not? truly? Every time you post you amaze me Mike...
Also Mike, Genesis states that all living creatures became LIVING upon receiving God's breath so in essence they all share a common factor of pre-existence...
No one exists before they are born.
Your beliefs ARE cultish. There is nothing Scriptural about your beliefs. You don't believe in Heaven, hell, Satan, demons, or angels in general as being literal. You don't believe that Jesus Christ is God. You don't believe in the rapture, or the tribulation, and oh yes. I think that you said that you believe that Jesus sinned. There is nothing Christian about what you believe. Nothing more needs to be said to show that you do not believe in the Jesus Christ of the Bible.
Your beliefs ARE cultish. There is nothing Scriptural about your beliefs. You don't believe in Heaven, hell, Satan, demons, or angels in general as being literal. You don't believe that Jesus Christ is God. You don't believe in the rapture, or the tribulation, and oh yes. I think that you said that you believe that Jesus sinned. There is nothing Christian about what you believe. Nothing more needs to be said to show that you do not believe in the Jesus Christ of the Bible.
The Word of God puts the lie to Mormon beliefs.
It's not clear to me if you are referring to what you think are the beliefs of katjonjj whose post you are responding to, or because of your last sentence, if you are actually once again displaying your absolutely gross ignorance of the religious beliefs of members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who you judge and condemn without even knowing what we really believe.
Just in case it's the latter, let me tell you a bit of TRUTH about us, keeping in mind that I am not speaking for the LDS Church or for anyone else:
1. The 13,500,000 member worldwide Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (apparently the fourth largest Christian denomination in the USA) is very far from meeting the derogatory definition of "cult" that you are apparently slinging at us, as if you would know.
2. We accept the Holy Bible as scriptural just as much as you do, though we do accept that there are errors in translating the original documents.
3. We believe in heaven. But we do accept the three heavens written of in the bible.
4. We do believe in hell.
5. We do believe in Satan, demons, AND angels.
6. We do believe that Jesus Christ is one of the three members of the Godhood, with God the Father being superior in the same manner that the father of an earthly son or daughter is superior.
7. We believe that when the Lord comes in glory the righteous will be caught up to meet him. You call that the "rapture", a label that we seldom if ever use.
8. We believe that there will be very distressing destructive events yet to come on this planet before the Lord comes in glory. You call that the "tribulation" which is a term we seldom use for that prophesied event.
9. I never said that Jesus Christ sinned, I believe that he was perfectly sinless and completely filled the mission he was sent to earth to accomplish.
10. In my opinion, there is everything "Christian" about people whose religious beliefs and worship are centered on Jesus Christ.
11. Our Jesus is found in the Bible. I don't know of any other Savior and Redeemer. Do you?
I'm not sure how you define "salvation" but it is my belief that we are saved from the consequences of our sins only in and through Jesus Christ who has earned the power and the right to do that by working through the atoning sacrifice he made in Gethsemane, in the events prior to his crucifixion, and on the cross where he voluntarily gave up his life for us.
I believe that God provided us with commandments and teachings such as the Sermon on the Mount because He expects us to DO certain things and to avoid DOING certain other things. There are many verses in the bible that refer to the importance of works, and that we will be judged by our works.
So, yes, saved through Jesus Christ, and judged by our works.
It's not clear to me if you are referring to what you think are the beliefs of katjonjj whose post you are responding to, or because of your last sentence, if you are actually once again displaying your absolutely gross ignorance of the religious beliefs of members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who you judge and condemn without even knowing what we really believe.
Just in case it's the latter, let me tell you a bit of TRUTH about us, keeping in mind that I am not speaking for the LDS Church or for anyone else:
1. The 13,500,000 member worldwide Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (apparently the fourth largest Christian denomination in the USA) is very far from meeting the derogatory definition of "cult" that you are apparently slinging at us, as if you would know.
2. We accept the Holy Bible as scriptural just as much as you do, though we do accept that there are errors in translating the original documents.
3. We believe in heaven. But we do accept the three heavens written of in the bible.
4. We do believe in hell.
5. We do believe in Satan, demons, AND angels.
6. We do believe that Jesus Christ is one of the three members of the Godhood, with God the Father being superior in the same manner that the father of an earthly son or daughter is superior.
7. We believe that when the Lord comes in glory the righteous will be caught up to meet him. You call that the "rapture", a label that we seldom if ever use.
8. We believe that there will be very distressing destructive events yet to come on this planet before the Lord comes in glory. You call that the "tribulation" which is a term we seldom use for that prophesied event.
9. I never said that Jesus Christ sinned, I believe that he was perfectly sinless and completely filled the mission he was sent to earth to accomplish.
10. In my opinion, there is everything "Christian" about people whose religious beliefs and worship are centered on Jesus Christ.
11. Our Jesus is found in the Bible. I don't know of any other Savior and Redeemer. Do you?
See Mike.. I told you that they were just like you...and not like me..
But you give labels like that to just about everyone who doesn't agree with you...
Mormons believe that the Bible is the record ("stick") of Judah and The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ is the record or "stick" of Joseph mentioned by Ezekiel. The writers of the books in The Book of Mormon were descendents of a prophet who led a small group of Hebrews from Jerusalem to the Americas about 600 B.C. That prophet was a descendent of Joseph.
"Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
"Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand." Ezekiel 37: 16,19
A “stick” was a piece of wood that was written on, many times, literally, it was a stick of wood.
“…they shall become one…”
God uses the words “they” and “them”
Not “the” or “it”
It’s rather personal as talking about people of a nation.
The Scripture isn’t talking about books, or sticks, but more importantly, what was written on the “sticks.”
Two nations would be joined as one nation.
A “stick” was a piece of wood that was written on, many times, literally, it was a stick of wood.
“…they shall become one…”
God uses the words “they” and “them”
Not “the” or “it”
It’s rather personal as talking about people of a nation.
The Scripture isn’t talking about books, or sticks, but more importantly, what was written on the “sticks.”
Two nations would be joined as one nation.
A few months ago I was inside the room that is accessed from the male side of the Western ("Wailing) Wall in Jerusalem. There I observed Jews in priestly robes take from a locked place some of their scriptures. If I observed correctly, it was a scroll wound around a stick. Thus, it's easy to think of the scroll as being called a "stick" because you have to pick up the stick to have access to the scroll, which you would unwind as you read.
Ezekiel says that the Lord will make the record of Judah and the other record of Joseph "one" in his hand. Each Sunday, all over the world millions and millions of Latter-day Saints go to Sabaath meetings, many of them holding in one hand a "quadruple combination" which is a single book that contains both the Bible (the record or stick of Judah) and The Book of Mormon (the record or stick of Joseph.)
Perhaps you have a more concrete example of the fulfillment of Ezekiel's prophesy?
11. Our Jesus is found in the Bible. I don't know of any other Savior and Redeemer. Do you?
Yes he does....the Jesus who said "Be [present tense] ye therefore perfect, even as your heavenly Father is perfect"
Jesus didn't say become perfect.....so there
(Can you quote the verses from the Bible the terms telestial. terrestial, and celestial heavens and how you need to show your worthiness to progress to each level....)
Job 38:4 ¶ Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
The sons and daughters of God existed before the foundations of the world were laid.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
God shows us in Genesis that His way is to create, and then name.
We can see by the verses above that there are names written, and names not written in the lambs book from the foundations of the earth.
Others you may recall say that before we were formed in the womb, He knew us.
I think we need to exist and be unique enough in order to be known.
Jesus said; NO man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven. Even the Son of Man which is in heaven.
Interesting that Jesus said he was in heaven, while speaking this on earth.
side note: heaven is a state of being, as well as a location/place.
Regardless, no man returns to heaven unless he comes from heaven.
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Your beliefs ARE cultish. There is nothing Scriptural about your beliefs. You don't believe in Heaven, hell, Satan, demons, or angels in general as being literal. You don't believe that Jesus Christ is God. You don't believe in the rapture, or the tribulation, and oh yes. I think that you said that you believe that Jesus sinned. There is nothing Christian about what you believe. Nothing more needs to be said to show that you do not believe in the Jesus Christ of the Bible.
The Word of God puts the lie to Mormon beliefs.
This is a sad example of fear, and bigotry. I rebuke this form of spiritual ignorance.
A few months ago I was inside the room that is accessed from the male side of the Western ("Wailing) Wall in Jerusalem. There I observed Jews in priestly robes take from a locked place some of their scriptures. If I observed correctly, it was a scroll wound around a stick. Thus, it's easy to think of the scroll as being called a "stick" because you have to pick up the stick to have access to the scroll, which you would unwind as you read.
Ezekiel says that the Lord will make the record of Judah and the other record of Joseph "one" in his hand. Each Sunday, all over the world millions and millions of Latter-day Saints go to Sabaath meetings, many of them holding in one hand a "quadruple combination" which is a single book that contains both the Bible (the record or stick of Judah) and The Book of Mormon (the record or stick of Joseph.)
Perhaps you have a more concrete example of the fulfillment of Ezekiel's prophesy?
You wouldn’t happen to know off hand how many biblical scholars agree with that story, would you?
Yes he does....the Jesus who said "Be [present tense] ye therefore perfect, even as your heavenly Father is perfect"
Jesus didn't say become perfect.....so there
(Can you quote the verses from the Bible the terms telestial. terrestial, and celestial heavens and how you need to show your worthiness to progress to each level....)
I didn't realize you believed in perfection.
godspeed,
freedom
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