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Old 06-22-2009, 02:54 PM
 
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You are playing fast and loose with scripture when showing you can believe after you die.
1 Corinthinans 15:

Now if Christ is preached that he hath been raised from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, neither hath Christ been raised:
14 and if Christ hath not been raised, then is our preaching vain, your faith also is vain.
15 Yea, we are found false witnesses of God; because we witnessed of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead are not raised.
16 For if the dead are not raised, neither hath Christ been raised:
17 and if Christ hath not been raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also that are fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
19 If we have only hoped in Christ in this life, we are of all men most pitiable.
20 But now hath Christ been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of them that are asleep.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; then they that are Christ's, at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall deliver up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have abolished all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all his enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be abolished is death.
27 For, He put all things in subjection under his feet. But when he saith, All things are put in subjection, it is evident that he is excepted who did subject all things unto him. 28 And when all things have been subjected unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subjected to him that did subject all things unto him, that God may be all in all

God bless.
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Old 06-22-2009, 02:55 PM
 
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In the life not death.

Yes, all will be made alive.

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Why doesn't God save people in this life?
He doesn't want to?

God bless.
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Old 06-22-2009, 02:55 PM
 
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All will believe if they will confess Him God bless.
In life not death. Why doesn't God save people in this life after all isn't that what He desires?
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Old 06-22-2009, 02:57 PM
 
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Yes, all will be made alive.
I didn't ask that. I asked, why aren't ALL people saved NOW.
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He doesn't want to?

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Really, why? since this is what He desires.
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Old 06-22-2009, 02:59 PM
 
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He will have all to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth, but He is calling out a people to day. Eventually all will be restored to Him.

1 Timothy 1:5
:For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men; the man Christ Jesus who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony borne (or to be born ) in the proper (in its own, literally) time. God bless.
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Old 06-22-2009, 03:00 PM
 
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Please reread Ephesians 1:9-10 and Romans 8: 18-21. Also James 1:18. God bless.
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Old 06-22-2009, 03:11 PM
 
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As usual you are skipping steps, filling in the gaps that are not there. It is clear one must believe but you can't show absolutely NO WHERE in scripture where the word believe is in the afterlife. It's ironic how "believe" and "repent" is all over the bible in verses for the living but somehow disappear when it comes to the universalist approach in interpreting reconciliation. You are playing fast and loose with scripture.

The bible is clear; one must believe to be saved and until you can produce a piece of scripture showing the words "believe" or "repent" for those verses you claim that all will be reconciled then you basically have nothing because you say one has to believe but none of your verses show those words in the afterlife. So how do you know one has to believe, it does not say so and you can't use the verses with those words because that is for the living.
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Old 06-22-2009, 03:18 PM
 
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Fundy,

Romans 8

16 The Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are children of God:
17 and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified with him.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed to us-ward.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creation waiteth for the revealing of the sons of God.
20 For the creation was subjected to vanity, not of its own will, but by reason of him who subjected it, in hope
21 that the creation itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now


Believe it or not, brother God's blessings to you
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Old 06-22-2009, 03:21 PM
 
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1 Corinthinans 15:

Now if Christ is preached that he hath been raised from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, neither hath Christ been raised:
14 and if Christ hath not been raised, then is our preaching vain, your faith also is vain.
15 Yea, we are found false witnesses of God; because we witnessed of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead are not raised.
16 For if the dead are not raised, neither hath Christ been raised:
17 and if Christ hath not been raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also that are fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
19 If we have only hoped in Christ in this life, we are of all men most pitiable.
20 But now hath Christ been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of them that are asleep.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; then they that are Christ's, at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall deliver up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have abolished all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all his enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be abolished is death.
27 For, He put all things in subjection under his feet. But when he saith, All things are put in subjection, it is evident that he is excepted who did subject all things unto him. 28 And when all things have been subjected unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subjected to him that did subject all things unto him, that God may be all in all

God bless.
You switch back and forth. You use the reconciliation verses for the afterlife that has no believe or repent but then when asked where is the believing and repenting you switch back to the verses dealing with the living

Please stick to one
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Old 06-22-2009, 03:24 PM
 
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They all deal with the living, Fundy. All are to be restored to the Father, and they all testify to this God's blessings.
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