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I fail to see how the Bible is going to help the cause. We can easily play the contrary and supply unlimited amounts of condoms and birth control pills to all that need. A jar of each on every teacher's desk.
The Bible does not teach the children to not have sex before marriage, that drugs are bad, that killing another student is wrong - It simply tells them that they are morally wrong and that they are damned to Hell for eternity. Why not enhance the program that teaches students that unprotected sex can lead to pregnancy? Provide more examples of live of doing such activity, have people who went down that road come into school to talk about and so forth. Show them what could possibly happen, ways to prevent and the like.
Awareness is the answer. Not morals and baby Jesus.
THat's all well and good for the 70-80 yrs. on planet earth, but what about eternal consequences? Eternal is a very long time, and correcting takes much longer when physical influence is out of the picture.
THis world is a school for the gods, not just a playground or multiple decade holiday.
THat's all well and good for the 70-80 yrs. on planet earth, but what about eternal consequences? Eternal is a very long time, and correcting takes much longer when physical influence is out of the picture.
THis world is a school for the gods, not just a playground or multiple decade holiday.
godspeed,
freedom
I wish you the best in telling young teens that eternal consequences are severe and that everyone who believes in God is, in so many words, perfect.
Teenagers have many decades of life left. The last they are going to think about is their decisions now, and how it will effect them in their so-called "after life".
The above post got June thinking, as she couldn't help but recall the all too genuine efforts on the parts of many parents as regards "sheltering" their children back when June was a girl.
The efforts of the Parents may have been heart felt, but abdicating your parental responsibilities to another can bring poor results.
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You see, (brace yourselves, folks) June was educated in a very exclusive, very top notch academic private Christian high school ("gasp!") and () back when June was a dear, sweet, adolescent teenage girl in the late 60's. Trust me, this was the place that the "good Christian parents" wished to send their dear, precious daughters, as the academics were top notch, second only to the school's "mission statement" of providing only the best of Christian education to those who were able to afford it. --June's parents were able to afford it. Much to June's shock, dismay, and teenage angst and despair.
Did this make you feel abandoned? It would have me...
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And yes, this was about as "sheltering" as any school could get back in the 60's. Parents across the county were able to sleep more peacefully at night knowing that their daughters were safely tucked away up atop a country mountain, far from the influences of corrupt Vietnam era America. What could possibly be more sheltered than a fine academic institution that was a Christian based prep school for young women? (In other words: all girls. No boys.)
Sheltering without Love and Care is just a prison, no matter what the educational benefits.
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Yes, the good Christian parents slept much more soundly at night knowing that we, their dear, precious daughters, would know no boys in any Biblical sense, and willingly paid for our uniforms with a song on their lips and a prayer in their hearts knowing that never would any cleavage ever have the chance of presenting itself, along with the fact that hem lines were strictly monitored. (And June means strictly monitored.) --Because no good Christian preppie was to be admitted in those church services that they were attending at school, (and attending often) during a time when the evil influences of such things as the mini skirt was the norm. Oh no! Not for the dear, sweet, precious daughters of those parents who wished their daughters to continue to uphold the Christian values and morals that everyone had agreed upon their needing to uphold. --And if they got into Princeton, Harvard, or Yale after graduation, all the better. It was good. It was safe. It was sheltered. It was the "right" thing to do. The Christian thing to do.
Well intentioned, poorly executed outward show. Doesn't sound like there was any real internal spiritual tools that were passed on by hired hands.
The Parent should never give one of their most important stations to another. Public, Private, or Tutor... THe Parent is given the responsibility to raise and love and teach, Nurture and console.
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June remembers all these things, and more. --But what she mostly remembers is that we were young, we were inquisitive, lord knows we had come from "good families" and had the accompanying good morals that we knew in the end would carry the day; get us by, get us through, and on into the world. Most of all, we had one another, and we had good minds. Despite our sheltered lives, despite our ingrained morals, despite the best efforts of all involved, (our parents, the faculty, our religious advisers) we still had an awareness of, and access to the "real world." -And that was a good thing. In a time of consciousness raising on a collective scale, we were determined to not be left behind. We ended up making our parents proud, and we went forth into the world and we knew we'd survive. --With our underlying morals still intact, along with something else equally as beneficial and precious: we had a sense of who we were, and that we'd survive, succeed...
Unfortunately not all stories end like June's, you desire to be...carried you this far.
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-And for those who have read this far, and who are still wondering:
June's not tellin' whether or not she was one of those who was found in the chapel by the principal during the dance. But let it suffice to say that June was not unfamiliar with the chapel back then, in alot of ways, dances or otherwise.
June's testimony makes me think of a family that I know who did not send their daugthers to a private school, but their homelife was so strict that they "fell away' as soon as they got away from an overly pious mother. Those poor girls always had to wear dresses down to their ankles, regardless of what the style was. They were pitiful looking ! The mother was shocked when she heard me say I was "pooped" ! That was dirty language in her mind.
This mother was the wife of one of my husband's cousins. They were members of the same church of Christ that we were members of. In fact it was her's and her husband's influence that brought us to Christ.
The girls both have had more than one husband. Their children have differant fathers. I do not remember if any were born out of wedlock, but I wouldn't be surprised. I don't think either are members of the church any more. If they are, they are very weak members.
Their father died a few years ago, and the mother immediately took up with a man from a differant faith. Then he died, and she is still with his faith.
It just all goes to show....A person is what they are going to be dispite their bringing up...if it is wrong, it is wrong, whether it is in their home, or in the school they go to.
If a parent is overly zealous in the bringing up of their children, it frequently drives the child away from religion. We see that in a lot of those who post on these threads.
It is a shame that the children cannot see that the way they were brought up was contrary to God's word, whether it is in a school, or in their home.
I am thankful that I had a mind of my own, and searched for the truth on my own, and found it ! Anyone can do that if they really want to.
I wish you the best in telling young teens that eternal consequences are severe and that everyone who believes in God is, in so many words, perfect.
Even the devils believe, and they are far from perfect...
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Teenagers have many decades of life left. The last they are going to think about is their decisions now, and how it will effect them in their so-called "after life".
Mine do think about it, and they know that there are consequences here and there. And they thank me for telling them.
If you think it is based in fear, then you err... It is based in love and in being.
Even receiving a fulness of the Father.
WHich is a far greater ideal to seek, then any worldly, temporary position or thrill.
June's testimony makes me think of a family that I know who did not send their daugthers to a private school, but their homelife was so strict that they "fell away' as soon as they got away from an overly pious mother. Those poor girls always had to wear dresses down to their ankles, regardless of what the style was. They were pitiful looking ! The mother was shocked when she heard me say I was "pooped" ! That was dirty language in her mind.
This mother was the wife of one of my husband's cousins. They were members of the same church of Christ that we were members of. In fact it was her's and her husband's influence that brought us to Christ.
The girls both have had more than one husband. Their children have differant fathers. I do not remember if any were born out of wedlock, but I wouldn't be surprised. I don't think either are members of the church any more. If they are, they are very weak members.
Their father died a few years ago, and the mother immediately took up with a man from a differant faith. Then he died, and she is still with his faith.
It just all goes to show....A person is what they are going to be dispite their bringing up...if it is wrong, it is wrong, whether it is in their home, or in the school they go to.
If a parent is overly zealous in the bringing up of their children, it frequently drives the child away from religion. We see that in a lot of those who post on these threads.
It is a shame that the children cannot see that the way they were brought up was contrary to God's word, whether it is in a school, or in their home.
I am thankful that I had a mind of my own, and searched for the truth on my own, and found it ! Anyone can do that if they really want to.
THat is sad, it sounds like they were don'ted to death, raised in fear and made to feel obscure.
What else would you expect from a flaming leftist? That abortion has a "bad" effect on society?
Come on...
I don't presume to know the political standing of Mr. Levitt. Maybe you do. If so please source.
I'll source this as a reason why Mr. Levitt is brighter on the subject of economics and statistical regression analysis than myself (and quite possibly you).
"He attended St. Paul Academy and Summit School, graduated from Harvard University in 1989, and received his Ph.D. from MIT in 1994. He is currently the Alvin H. Baum Professor in Economics and the director of the The Becker Center on Price Theory at the University of Chicago."
Unless by chance you graduated from Harvard and MIT and have different data than what Mr. Levitt provided then I dare say I might put more faith in his work and analysis on the subject vs your non-work and non-analysis on the subject.
As noted in the post before it is an interesting read. I hope the previous poster has a chance to pick the book up and give it a go. Then he/she can make his/her own decision about accepting the validity of Mr. Levitt's research and whether or not there is "flaming leftist" slant to his work.
Yeh! President Bush went to Harvard and Yale.... so ...
Skool makes us infallible.
godspeed,
freedom
I know it must be hard for the right wingers out there.. to have put so much in Bush.. and have him turn into a complete idiot right before your eyes. Unfortunately Bush being a moron... doesn't invalidate Dr. Levitt.
How does a Moron get to be President, and twice!? Now that's a pretty smart Moron.
Maybe skooling has a bigger role in Americana than i thought....hmmmm.....
Must rethink higher education, how many voters are highly educated?.....
That would be an interesting study.
godspeed,
freedom
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) back when June was a dear, sweet, adolescent teenage girl in the late 60's. Trust me, this was the place that the "good Christian parents" wished to send their dear, precious daughters, as the academics were top notch, second only to the school's "mission statement" of providing only the best of Christian education to those who were able to afford it. --June's parents were able to afford it.
Much to June's shock, dismay, and teenage angst and despair.
