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In the Netherlands we now have philosophy of life instead of religion.
All world religions will be discussed.
The aim is the development of the identity of the student.
The important philosophical and ethical questions will be discussed. The students will be confronted with questions and answers of other students (of a different religion/philosophy).
I grew up with the prayers in school which I loved and respected. But I know we can't do that now. I think like Blue, that it's the parent's job to teach morals and values to their children. I had the best of both worlds with my children. They went to a public school but I picked out the teachers I knew were believers. I would tell the teachers that you have my permission and encouragement to lean over and say to my child, "Didn't God make a great day today" That way my kids knew the teacher trusted God. I even had one teacher who met my son at lunchtime to pray for another child in class.
I think many choose to home school or find a Christian school for that reason. They are starting a Christian school near us and I will support them.
I grew up with the prayers in school which I loved and respected. But I know we can't do that now. I think like Blue, that it's the parent's job to teach morals and values to their children. I had the best of both worlds with my children. They went to a public school but I picked out the teachers I knew were believers. I would tell the teachers that you have my permission and encouragement to lean over and say to my child, "Didn't God make a great day today" That way my kids knew the teacher trusted God. I even had one teacher who met my son at lunchtime to pray for another child in class.
I think many choose to home school or find a Christian school for that reason. They are starting a Christian school near us and I will support them.
So you teach your children about God and Morals say 10% of the day at best and then maybe on Sunday a little bit, if they are listening.
Then 80% they are in a public school setting with diverse moral levels, the bad apples generally have the stage, then try to de program for the little time one has between job, household, personal time etc....
The public school system is similar to sending a petty thief to prison, they learn more about becoming a criminal. Becomes duel personalitied, and confusion to the world and the Spirit are mixed into a at best lukewarm secularism of mediocrity.
Very few have the moral fortitude to not give in to the peer degradation, and immoral bombardment.
The public school system is similar to sending a petty thief to prison, they learn more about becoming a criminal. Becomes duel personalitied, and confusion to the world and the Spirit are mixed into a at best lukewarm secularism of mediocrity.
Very few have the moral fortitude to not give in to the peer degradation, and immoral bombardment.
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Now Freedom, June wants you to try and listen to her. She thinks you are being just a bit extreme here. To equate the public schools as being the equivalent to the potential corruption of a prison, and to imply that the God's little tikes are going to turn into petty, heathen criminals is just not so.
Consider this: Just as from the moment of their birth, you as a Freedom Parent do your best to provide your children with a secure base emotionally, psychologically, so too do you attempt to do the same as regards their religious/moral/spiritual little selves, as well. By the time you send those little tikes off to kindergarten, (age 5) their little personalities are pretty much intact. So too that which they have internalized of you and the Misses. And hopefully, you have provided them with a secure faith-based base, as well. Because the way in which they will navigate their world over the course of their lives is in fact a process by which they "check back in" (within themselves) with whatever groundwork/footing YOU (the environment they were raised in) have provided them with.
Freedom, June hates to tell ya this, but it's a big world out there. --And truthfully, you cannot shelter kids from that, no matter how much you would like to, or try. You give them roots, and wings. You provide them with a secure enough base psychologically so that they are able to go forth and experience life. You provide them with the ground work, the footing as regards religious beliefs, and they go forth from there. You may think that you only have 10% influence on them once they are out in the world, in high school, but June would offer this: It's probably the opposite in terms of your percentages. You can neither apply their morals, ethics, etc. for them any more than you can protect them. -Hopefully you provided them with what they need in order to do that, themselves.
Lastly, the "secular world" isn't all evil. Because if it is, then you certainly wouldn't be listening to the likes of June. Oh, and for what it's worth, Little June is the result of a public school education. He is not an immoral person; he may have been tempted by less than positive influences, but he has yet to turn into a hardened criminal. He is a kind, compassionate soul...And he was raised by Big June, queen of the heathen hit parade!
Just something to think about, my friend...
Take gentle reflective care.
P.S. Lastly, (only because June is simply dying to know!) Did YOU, freedom, attend any public school(s)??? Do YOU navigate the world? If so, then how have YOU managed to resist the immoral bombardment such that you have not become a petty criminal in your own right? (Cuz June just knows you are not one.)
Now Freedom, June wants you to try and listen to her. She thinks you are being just a bit extreme here. To equate the public schools as being the equivalent to the potential corruption of a prison, and to imply that the God's little tikes are going to turn into petty, heathen criminals is just not so.
It is a similar process of learning bad habits. It is where i learned to do too many bad things.
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Consider this: Just as from the moment of their birth, you as a Freedom Parent do your best to provide your children with a secure base emotionally, psychologically, so too do you attempt to do the same as regards their religious/moral/spiritual little selves, as well. By the time you send those little tikes off to kindergarten, (age 5) their little personalities are pretty much intact. So too that which they have internalized of you and the Misses. And hopefully, you have provided them with a secure faith-based base, as well. Because the way in which they will navigate their world over the course of their lives is in fact a process by which they "check back in" (within themselves) with whatever groundwork/footing YOU (the environment they were raised in) have provided them with.
Unfortunately 5 yrs. isn't enough. Early moral foundations are important, but the real formative yrs. towards society are in the schooling yrs. Influences and examples have great bearing on decision making.
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Freedom, June hates to tell ya this, but it's a big world out there. --And truthfully, you cannot shelter kids from that, no matter how much you would like to, or try.
Actually you can, and it has been very positive and empowering to my kids, they have great freedom, and love for all, they see the error of negativity and hatred, and self destruction. They can hold an intelligent conversation with any age group, look you in the eye with strength and conviction.
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You give them roots, and wings. You provide them with a secure enough base psychologically so that they are able to go forth and experience life.
Absolutely, but why leave them in the mud of society. Public schools are mental junkyards built around ego, pride, superficial appearance and personality. There is a better way, and we sacraficed in order to provide that better way.
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You provide them with the ground work, the footing as regards religious beliefs, and they go forth from there. You may think that you only have 10% influence on them once they are out in the world, in high school, but June would offer this: It's probably the opposite in terms of your percentages. You can neither apply their morals, ethics, etc. for them any more than you can protect them. -Hopefully you provided them with what they need in order to do that, themselves.
You would be enchanted and blown away at meeting my children, they are phenominal human beings, able to give incredible amounts of love.
When we go out to dinner or somewhere in public, there is never a time that they are not complimented or approached by complete strangers that are drawn to their energy. On multiple occasions, complete strangers have told waitresses that they wanted to buy our dinner because it was such a joy to see a kind and happy family. I appologize if this comes across as boasting, but it is relevant to explaining how you can raise a child in the way they should go, and leave the dark, negative, and useless experiences in the dustbin. Public school is a melting pot of immorallity, and lost generations, if it were not so, then society would be growing more kind, loving, caring, sharing. This is a broad brush i'm using and certainly there are exceptions, but for the most part it is easy to see the results.
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Lastly, the "secular world" isn't all evil. Because if it is, then you certainly wouldn't be listening to the likes of June. Oh, and for what it's worth, Little June is the result of a public school education. He is not an immoral person; he may have been tempted by less than positive influences, but he has yet to turn into a hardened criminal. He is a kind, compassionate soul...And he was raised by Big June, queen of the heathen hit parade!
Like i said there are exceptions, but just think how much better off, without the negativity.
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Take gentle reflective care.
P.S. Lastly, (only because June is simply dying to know!) Did YOU, freedom, attend any public school(s)??? Do YOU navigate the world? If so, then how have YOU managed to resist the immoral bombardment such that you have not become a petty criminal in your own right? (Cuz June just knows you are not one.)
Yes i did, it is where i learned to steal cars, have sex, drink and do drugs, injure people, end up in jail, oh! and put on a mask of a stranger.
THere were ofcourse some good things (weightlifting and auto shop), but the bad far out weighed the good, I pleaded to be able to drop out and get a job to get away from it, finally graduation day, and let me leave with a diploma and not enough credits to account for it.
Location: The world, where will fate take me this time?
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In the Netherlands we now have philosophy of life instead of religion.
All world religions will be discussed.
The aim is the development of the identity of the student.
The important philosophical and ethical questions will be discussed. The students will be confronted with questions and answers of other students (of a different religion/philosophy).
That's exactly what I meant when I said that some universal spiritual values should be taught, I'm glad that in the netherlands you have those classes.
According to the website, ever since the prayers were outlawed in public schools,
*the murder rate tripled
*violent crime went up 544%
*Prior to 1963(the year prayers were outlawed in public schools,)the divorce rate had been declining for 15 straight years, and after 1963 the divorce rate more than doubled
*unwed births to ages 10-14 years of age shot up 553% by 1983
*sexually transmitted diseases (15-19 yrs olds) shot up 226% by the year 1975
*the percentage of children living in fatherless homes increased from 6% to 40%
You would be enchanted and blown away at meeting my children...I appologize if this comes across as boasting
Public school is a melting pot of immorallity, and lost generations.
Yes i did, it is where i learned to steal cars, have sex, drink and do drugs, injure people, end up in jail, oh! and put on a mask of a stranger.
June understands a little bit better, now. With that in mind, however, she also has the realization that Freedom and June will no doubt have to agree to disagree to a considerable extent, but hey, that's okay. We've done so before, my friend, and we are none the worse for our abilities to do so.
No, you are not "boasting" as regards your children. You are, however, entitled to do so. We all do. We'll only be worse once we are all grandparents.
I have a friend who has spent her entire adult life devoting it to God. I'm not kidding. If this woman isn't what by anyone's definition is "a woman of God" and a Christian, then I literally cannot imagine who would be. She is also someone who is a member of a religious order, and an educator. She has spent her life teaching in Christian schools, and working eventually as a guidance counsellor in one. She would be the first person to tell you that the issues that you attribute to public schools are not exclusive to public schools alone. --And to be honest with you, even June was a bit surprised by the "goings ons" in exclusively Christian schools across the whole spectrum of socio-economic income levels...
At the end of the day, my fine Freedom friend, we can't completely keep kids away from some of the more "secular" aspects of society. You can, however, provide them with what they need to make decisions, choices, when confronted by the negative influences that are bound to crop up every once in a while. You can try and shelter them throughout the formative years, although I'm not so sure just how that's going to play out once they leave for college, or simply leave home, for that matter. And while their little psyches are fairly formed by the age of 5, that by no means implies that they are fully formed, fully functioning human beings. They aren't "done" in the sense of being baked cakes. (Nor did June mean to imply that.)
If I was a Christian, and if I wished to keep my child away from as many of the negative influences of the world, I no doubt would strive as best I could to do so. But I would also do this, as well:
I would do so with the notion in mind that sooner or later, all kids will come face to face with those things out there that we as parents dread; that we as parents think are wrong; that we as parents knew, or experienced, first hand, all too well. If anything, June is old enough to remember the 60's. If ever there existed a "lost generation" June can attest to the fact that the 60
s, in many, many ways, most certainly was one. In all too tragic ways. BUT, if, (in being a Christian parent as I have described here) I would also do this:
I would make darn sure that I did NOT shelter them too much, lest they be unable to leave home, go out into the world at some point, and be able to manage, to thrive. Kids need certain things in order to be able to face the "negatives" head on, and not be plowed under by them...
June certainly does not have all the answers. June only knows what she too, has learned, either by experience or education. But at the end of the day, June knows this: That hope does exist. That there exists an entire generation out there who hold both our hopes, and our future.
And June has the feeling they won't necessarily let us down.
It would probably help if the theory of evolution was not taught in schools. If it is going to continue to be taught, other religions should be taught also. The theory of evolution is a religion.
When did it first become a mandated subject in our schools? I am thinking it is more the cause of the decline in morals, than the lack of prayers in school.
I went to school from 1938 to 1952, and cannot remember prayers in the schools that I attended. Maybe they were there, and maybe they did have an influence on me. I can't remember....
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In the Netherlands we now have philosophy of life instead of religion.
The students will be confronted with questions and answers of other students (of a different religion/philosophy).
