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Old 04-29-2022, 05:10 PM
 
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You cannot be both, what is wrong with you? Do you not understand what James meant when he said bitter and sweet water cannot flow out there same fountain ? You can take that verse of scripture and apply it to understand anything that is or not of our Heavenly Father. It will never fail you in understanding what is of God and what isn't.


For the law was given by Moses, BUT grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.


Why do you think that BUT is there?

The truth that Jesus is referring to hear is the reality of God and the reality of God was made known to us by Jesus Christ, for that is what He IS, the exact representation of ALL that God is. This reality of God that Jesus Christ whom the scriptures testify of made manifest, is beyond our wildest dreams. It is only the dark clouds of pre conceived ideas about God that block the light of his glory penetrating through so that we see God for all that He is. Anyone who listens to the condemning garbage you are serving up mixed with bible verses is an absolute fool.
There is glory in the ministry of condemnation (2 Corinthians 3:9); how then is the water bitter?

The law was given as a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ (Galatians 3:24); so it, and its condemnation, is a useful tool to lead men to righteousness.

As for people being fools, see 1 Corinthians 4:10. "I am a fool for Christ" and happy about it.

Whose fool are you?

 
Old 04-29-2022, 05:46 PM
 
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There is glory in the ministry of condemnation (2 Corinthians 3:9); how then is the water bitter?

The law was given as a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ (Galatians 3:24); so it, and its condemnation, is a useful tool to lead men to righteousness.

As for people being fools, see 1 Corinthians 4:10. "I am a fool for Christ" and happy about it.

Whose fool are you?
The law and the Spirit are NOT the same thing.

For the law was given by Moses, BUT >>>>>>. grace and truth came by Jesus Christ
 
Old 04-29-2022, 06:00 PM
 
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The law and the Spirit are NOT the same thing.
I didn't say that they were.

However, the Spirit utilizes the law to show men that they are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20, Galatians 3:24, Psalms 19:7).
 
Old 04-29-2022, 06:08 PM
 
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I didn't say that they were.

However, the Spirit utilizes the law to show men that they are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20, Galatians 3:24, Psalms 19:7).
So a ministry of condemnation and a ministry of reconciliation cannot flow from the same fountain.
 
Old 04-29-2022, 08:44 PM
 
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So a ministry of condemnation and a ministry of reconciliation cannot flow from the same fountain.
Wrong; because the ministry of condemnation (which stems from the law) acts as a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ (Galatians 3:24, Romans 3:20, Psalms 19:7); which is a ministry of reconciliation.
 
Old 04-30-2022, 03:19 AM
 
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Wrong; because the ministry of condemnation (which stems from the law) acts as a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ (Galatians 3:24, Romans 3:20, Psalms 19:7); which is a ministry of reconciliation.
Wrong, the law came by Moses BUT grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. The ministry of condemnation is not a part of the good news.... Paul tells us the message to those not believing is this
All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, >>>>> not counting people’s sins against them(This is the ministry of reconciliation).


And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. You have not been authorized to go and preach a ministry of condemnation. The enemy of the good news, the wicked one, deceived you into thinking that He did
 
Old 04-30-2022, 09:57 PM
 
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The ministry of condemnation stems from the law; but the law is a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ.

Gal 3:24, Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Rom 3:20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Psa 19:7, The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.


The law brings people to Christ, converting them, by showing them that they are sinners in need of a Saviour.

The law does not have the power to impart life (Galatians 3:21); however it does point us to our need so that we can place our trust in the One who does have the power to impart life.
 
Old 05-01-2022, 07:57 AM
 
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The ministry of condemnation stems from the law; but the law is a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ.

Gal 3:24, Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Rom 3:20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Psa 19:7, The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.


The law brings people to Christ, converting them, by showing them that they are sinners in need of a Saviour.

The law does not have the power to impart life (Galatians 3:21); however it does point us to our need so that we can place our trust in the One who does have the power to impart life.
Who said it didn't?

YOU are saying the ministry of condemnation and the ministry of reconciliation are the same They are not.

But now APART from the law
the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.
 
Old 05-01-2022, 08:03 AM
 
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Who said it didn't?

YOU are saying the ministry of condemnation and the ministry of reconciliation are the same They are not.

But now APART from the law
the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.
Checkmate mate.
 
Old 05-01-2022, 02:01 PM
 
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Checkmate mate.
Nope.

See post #7547.
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