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Old 09-18-2021, 03:47 AM
 
Location: the Kingdom of His dear Son
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"We all must die and are like water spilled on the ground that cannot be gathered up again...

BUT

the Lord does not take away life...

INSTEAD

He devises ways for the banished to be restored."

banishment =

The act of banishing or compelling a citizen to leave his country or place of residence by
judicial authority.

The state of being banished with enforced absence, expulsion & exile.

The act of driving away or dispelling as banishment of care from the mind.

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Old 09-18-2021, 12:41 PM
 
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All will not be saved because God created a portion of mankind to demonstrate His Wrath and justice against human sin and so created them as a potter makes vessels for His own purpose, as vessels of wrath and fits them for destruction. Rom 9:22

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

God had a right and exercised His right to create some men for dishonour. The word dishonour is the greek word atimia:

disgrace, dishonor; a dishonorable use.dishonor (perceived as without recognized value, worth

Daniel sees these vessels being raised at the end for judgment and say it will be to disgrace and shame and contempt

Dan 12:2

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Notice this contempt is everlasting !
 
Old 09-18-2021, 01:04 PM
 
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All will not be saved because God created a portion of mankind to demonstrate His Wrath and justice against human sin and so created them as a potter makes vessels for His own purpose, as vessels of wrath and fits them for destruction. Rom 9:22

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

God had a right and exercised His right to create some men for dishonour. The word dishonour is the greek word atimia:

disgrace, dishonor; a dishonorable use.dishonor (perceived as without recognized value, worth

Daniel sees these vessels being raised at the end for judgment and say it will be to disgrace and shame and contempt

Dan 12:2

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Notice this contempt is everlasting !
He created people solely to suffer, even forever just to demonstrate His wrath against sin?

How much more appeasing does this just God need? I thought He took out His wrath on His own Son at calvary, Jesus even said "It is finished"... but your saying He is still angry?
 
Old 09-18-2021, 02:13 PM
 
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He created people solely to suffer, even forever just to demonstrate His wrath against sin?

How much more appeasing does this just God need? I thought He took out His wrath on His own Son at calvary, Jesus even said "It is finished"... but your saying He is still angry?
Hes appeased towards His Elect, the Vessels of Mercy, but not towards the non elect vessels of wrath

Ps 7:11


God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.

Job 21:30

That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath.

Dont ignore these verses my friend, its the word of God !
 
Old 09-18-2021, 03:20 PM
 
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All will not be saved because God created a portion of mankind to demonstrate His Wrath and justice against human sin and so created them as a potter makes vessels for His own purpose, as vessels of wrath and fits them for destruction. Rom 9:22


Complete nonsense, Bright

The Creator conceived a plan perfect in every way. His purpose begins in Him, is sustained by Him, and consummates within Him.

"God's justice is a saving, healing, restorative justice, the God to whom justice belongs is the Creator God who has yet to complete his original plan for creation and whose justice is designed not simply to restore balance to a world out of kilter but to bring to glorious completion and fruition the creation, teeming with life and possibility, that he made in the first place." ― N.T. Wright
 
Old 09-18-2021, 03:28 PM
 
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"The Son of God entered the scene to abolish the devil's ways." ~MSG

"The devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil."

To destroy =

Verb lyō


To loose one bound.

To unbind, release from bonds, set free.

To loose any person or thing tied or fastened.

One bound up/ swathed in bandages.

Prisoner bound with chains. Discharge from prison & let go.

To loosen, undo, dissolve, anything bound.

To annul, subvert.

To do away with by depriving of authority.

To break up, demolish & destroy.

To overthrow, to do away with.
 
Old 09-18-2021, 03:41 PM
 
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Our God Never Fails

"If you have heard that the heathen (who have never had an opportunity to hear of Jesus) will be tormented forever for not believing in Him, then you've heard that God is a failure. If you've heard that man's puny will can withstand the omnipotent will of God, and that man's will can paralyze God's will, then you have heard that God is a failure." ~Eleanor Garrod

"The Blesser of every created thing can give nothing but blessing, goodness, and happiness from himself because he has in himself nothing else to give. It is much more possible for the sun to give forth darkness, than for God to do, or be, or give forth anything but blessing and goodness." ~William Law

"To argue that God is 'trying His best' to save all mankind, but that the majority of men will not let Him save them, is to insist that the will of the Creator is impotent, and that the will of the creature is omnipotent." ~A. W. Pink
 
Old 09-19-2021, 06:52 AM
 
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The Lord Jesus Christ declares He will draw all mankind unto Himself. Will He?

"It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. And you..."

In the beginning He was “…the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: for by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him and for Him: and He is before all things, and by Him all things consist” (Col. 1:15-17).

Can the universal scope of Christ’s creation be more forcibly expressed? In every case the word ALL is used without any limitation whatever. The heavens and the earth with all that is in them, visible and invisible, include ALL creation.
 
Old 09-19-2021, 10:51 AM
 
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I don't usually post in this thread, but I get Richard Rohr's weekly summaries, and this week's was entitled, "Hell, NO".

This was Tuesday's thought.

https://cac.org/universal-good-news-...ontent=summary
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Old 09-19-2021, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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All will not be saved because God created a portion of mankind to demonstrate His Wrath and justice against human sin and so created them as a potter makes vessels for His own purpose, as vessels of wrath and fits them for destruction.
Utter foolishness!
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