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Old 09-12-2021, 04:58 AM
 
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Please don't believe the hell myth. It is a terrible fiction created by the church that has been attributed to Yeshua. In the myth, Yeshua is portrayed as a tyrant who requires that people swear allegiance to him or he will lock them into a place of unrelenting, agonizing torment for eternity. That is not the Yeshua who speaks of love, compassion, judging not, and forgiving in the New Testament. Yeshua doesn't mention such a place and certainly never threatened anyone if they chose not to grow spiritually by following his teaching. There is no word for such a place in Aramaic, Greek, or Hebrew. It just didn't exist.


Yeshua and Hell

 
Old 09-12-2021, 06:17 AM
 
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Please don't believe the hell myth. It is a terrible fiction created by the church that has been attributed to Yeshua. In the myth, Yeshua is portrayed as a tyrant who requires that people swear allegiance to him or he will lock them into a place of unrelenting, agonizing torment for eternity. That is not the Yeshua who speaks of love, compassion, judging not, and forgiving in the New Testament. Yeshua doesn't mention such a place and certainly never threatened anyone if they chose not to grow spiritually by following his teaching. There is no word for such a place in Aramaic, Greek, or Hebrew. It just didn't exist.


Yeshua and Hell
Jer: there are incredible resources on this one link.

"The current theology involves in its system belief in the deathlessness of sin, the indestructibility of error, and permanence of evil. There was a time in the history of the universe when sin in any shape or form did not exist, when no cry of pain or sense of guilt darkened the all-extensive bliss and holiness of creation, yet since sin has once effected an entrance into such a scene, it has come in never to go out again, indestructible, unconquerable, ineradicable, endless. Absolute happiness and sinlessness have forever vanished like the phantom of a dream. The eternal state is a universe endlessly finding room for myriads of souls rolling and writhing in the burning agonies of ceaseless flame, eternally sinful, vile and morally hideous. It pictures the final perfection yet to be attained as having room for a vast cesspool of immoral and degraded beings, continually existing in opposition to God."

ou eti katathema = no more curse
 
Old 09-12-2021, 04:27 PM
 
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"The current theology involves in its system belief in the deathlessness of sin, the indestructibility of error, and permanence of evil."
Can't be his chosen without anyone to condemn.
 
Old 09-12-2021, 05:41 PM
 
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Please don't believe the hell myth. It is a terrible fiction created by the church that has been attributed to Yeshua. In the myth, Yeshua is portrayed as a tyrant who requires that people swear allegiance to him or he will lock them into a place of unrelenting, agonizing torment for eternity. That is not the Yeshua who speaks of love, compassion, judging not, and forgiving in the New Testament. Yeshua doesn't mention such a place and certainly never threatened anyone if they chose not to grow spiritually by following his teaching. There is no word for such a place in Aramaic, Greek, or Hebrew. It just didn't exist.


Yeshua and Hell
Here is what Jesus said about hell.

Mar 9:42, And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
Mar 9:43, And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Mar 9:44, Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mar 9:45, And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Mar 9:46, Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mar 9:47, And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
Mar 9:48, Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.


Whatever English word you put in place of the word "hell" in this passage, it remains that the place mentioned is a place of unquenchable fire.
 
Old 09-12-2021, 07:34 PM
 
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Here is what Jesus said about hell.

Mar 9:42, And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
Mar 9:43, And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Mar 9:44, Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mar 9:45, And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Mar 9:46, Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mar 9:47, And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
Mar 9:48, Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.


Whatever English word you put in place of the word "hell" in this passage, it remains that the place mentioned is a place of unquenchable fire.
Because you have no knowledge and lack understanding, you preach a false gospel.
 
Old 09-13-2021, 12:00 AM
 
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Because you have no knowledge and lack understanding, you preach a false gospel.
Thanks to the circus between his ears, he can seize upon the smallest disquieting observation and from it extrapolate a terror of cataclysmic proportions.

Divine Justice

Our God is the God of restoration.


"Unto You, O Lord, belongs mercy; for You render to every man according to his work. The religious mind, however, educated upon the theories yet prevailing in the so-called religious world, must here recognize a departure from the presentation to which they have been accustomed: to make the psalm speak according to prevalent theoretic modes, the verse would have to be changed thus:

To You, O Lord, belongs justice, for You render to every man according to his work." -George MacDonald

"Our current criminal justice system has no provision for restorative justice, in which an offender confronts the damage they have done and tries to make it right for the people they have harmed...Instead, our system of 'corrections' is about arm's-length revenge and retribution, all day and all night." - Piper Kerman

"Retributive justice is largely Western. The African understanding is far more restorative - not so much to punish as to redress or restore a balance that has been knocked askew." - Desmond Tutu

"God's justice is a saving, healing, restorative justice, because the God to whom justice belongs is the Creator God who has yet to complete his original plan for creation and whose justice is designed not simply to restore balance to a world out of kilter but to bring to glorious completion and fruition the creation, teeming with life and possibility, that he made in the first place." ― N.T. Wright
 
Old 09-13-2021, 01:08 AM
 
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Because you have no knowledge and lack understanding, you preach a false gospel.
...Straight from the Bible...

And since it is straight from the Bible, it is not a false gospel, as you say, but the reality of what scripture teaches.
 
Old 09-13-2021, 01:28 AM
 
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...Straight from the Bible...

And since it is straight from the Bible, it is not a false gospel, as you say, but the reality of what scripture teaches.
It's your reality of things, when you believe the false doctrine of HELL.
 
Old 09-13-2021, 01:38 AM
 
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It's your reality of things, when you believe the false doctrine of HELL.
It is no false doctrine; it can be found right there in the pages of holy scripture (Matthew 25:46, 13:41-42, 13:49-50, Mark 9:42-48, Romans 11:9-10, Isaiah 33:14, Proverbs 30:16, etc.)
 
Old 09-13-2021, 01:41 AM
 
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It is no false doctrine; it can be found right there in the pages of holy scripture (Matthew 25:46, 13:41-42, 13:49-50, Mark 9:42-48, Romans 11:9-10, Isaiah 33:14, Proverbs 30:16, etc.)
Again, you have no comprehension.
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