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This is the "easy believism" mantra. Without agape love it is useless.
So you too are an "easy believer." Interesting. No wonder you refuse to answer questions and persist in ignoring answers to your puerile repetitive questions.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
Jesus said whoever believes have eternal life, but the legalists here insist you MUST work.
Faith leads to works. It is as simple as that. It gives gives birth to desire to work.
Is it easy? Jesus said "For my yoke is easy and my burden is light". His followers agreed, even though many would see their yoke anything but light. Any burden is light when you are happy to carry it.
Thinking that what you claim to believe ABOUT God and Jesus has anything to do with your fate is the stumbling block Christianity has fostered. We just have to believe that Jesus did what He said He did and put our faith in His perfect agape love (Grace) to cover our imperfect expressions of it. As long as we try to love God and each other every day and repent when we don't, we are following Jesus, no matter WHAT we THINK we believe ABOUT Him and God. Everything we do out of agape love is good, anything we do without agape love is worthless.
This is the "easy believism" mantra. Without agape love it is useless.
So you too are an "easy believer." Interesting. No wonder you refuse to answer questions and persist in ignoring answers to your puerile repetitive questions.
The trouble with easy believism is it does not have any substance. A substance all fundamentalists know deep down they lack but are afraid to face it and admit it,( not openly but before he who never condemn) so that the substance can be all that they lack,all because being comfortable in non substance belief systems that tickles their fancies comes with no cost.
Important things are repeated often in the bible, and nothing is repeated more than salvation by faith.
Talking about agape love etc is nice, but it ends up being the legalistic way, and hypocritical if you talk about it, but can't walk it. Also, some people try too hard to appear "agape loving", and end up approving the wrong things. Will Jesus open the door to people who say "Lord, Lord, we promoted gay marriage and abortion IN YOUR NAME". I will let Jesus decide, but I have my doubts.
And he will say, did you love them. Or, were you merely passing out your judgments.
Remember, faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
Important things are repeated often in the bible, and nothing is repeated more than salvation by faith.....
True, but it also talks about "living faith" and dead faith. Jesus also mentions "seeds" that spring up and then wither right away.
Yet you refuse to say what the difference is between a living faith and a dead faith or what it takes to turn an intellectual assessment or belief into a living faith.
Important things are repeated often in the bible, and nothing is repeated more than salvation by faith.
Talking about agape love etc is nice, but it ends up being the legalistic way, and hypocritical if you talk about it, but can't walk it. Also, some people try too hard to appear "agape loving", and end up approving the wrong things. Will Jesus open the door to people who say "Lord, Lord, we promoted gay marriage and abortion IN YOUR NAME". I will let Jesus decide, but I have my doubts.
Salvation from what ?. You cannot even be specific about this can you ? What are you meaning by salvation by faith ?. Where are you getting this idea that it is repeated more than say doing the will of God, can you statistically back up what you are saying?, I thought not. All the different writers of the epistles repeatedly talk about doing the will of God and good works( not good works that save your ass from frying in hell and a free pass to heaven). You have been sold a lie believing that. Easy believism, that all it does for you is turn you into parrot that quotes bible verses at people.
And he will say, did you love them. Or, were you merely passing out your judgments.
Remember, faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
They only went to Sheol, not hell, until Jesus was resurrected. When Jesus died, the graves were opened an the saved came to life and walked around town for a while. IMO, a visible testimony of the power of God. Now those who die without Jesus, still go there. Christians go to heaven.
The trouble with easy believism is it does not have any substance. A substance all fundamentalists know deep down they lack but are afraid to face it and admit it,( not openly but before he who never condemn) so that the substance can be all that they lack,all because being comfortable in non substance belief systems that tickles their fancies comes with no cost.
bingo !!!!!!!!
it relieves the angst of personal responsibility.
I feel guilty when I have to hurt a bad person to stop them from hurting another person, these fundy-liberals and fundy-theift-ist cant handle that responsibility. heck, i feel bad killing an ant.
Jesus said whoever believes have eternal life, but the legalists here insist you MUST work.
Faith leads to works. It is as simple as that. It gives gives birth to desire to work.
Is it easy? Jesus said "For my yoke is easy and my burden is light". His followers agreed, even though many would see their yoke anything but light. Any burden is light when you are happy to carry it.
Yes Jesus said who ever believes in him shall have eternal life. Even so he has given the power and authority to forgive our sins even though we do not deserve it.
We have all broken the ten commandments. The law for us is it points to our sins.
Faith is the resultant that leads to works and can be considered good works. We are given a new heart and are transformed.
They only went to Sheol, not hell, until Jesus was resurrected. When Jesus died, the graves were opened an the saved came to life and walked around town for a while. IMO, a visible testimony of the power of God. Now those who die without Jesus, still go there. Christians go to heaven.
It mentions bugger all in that verses about being saved, yet you have rewritten it. It is shameful how you and Finn Jarber change the scripture to support your handed down beliefs. It is ridiculous to assume that you do go to heaven and are magically transformed into this perfect being.
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