The Truth About Hell (convert, perfect, gods, follower)

[ShanaBrown]

There is the lie and twisting of the Scripture in bold.... Then what universalism teaches, that the blood of Christ was for nothing !!!

No, Curly, the blood of Christ is necessary for any and for all to be restored to the Father. No one would be reconciled to the Father without the blood. Look at this, Curly. God will have all to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth. This is God's determined will. Now, if God accomplishes His will that all be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth, does this mean that the blood of His Son is for nothing? Jesus is the Way and the Only Way

The Scripture teach that God is a loving God and His mercy does not force anyone one to love Him.....

God who has all power will convince and win all to Himself, Curly. Jesus Himself said that He would draw (drag) all to Himself. God will subject all to Himself so that He may be all in all. (1 Corinthians 15) One who is subjected is under the authority of someone else. God is able to subdue all things to Himself. He can do it and He will do it. No one will reject Him forever. Please check all previous scriptural references.

Love opens eyes and sets captives free, Curly. It does not prepare an eternal hell for those who are said to be blinded, lost, and deceived. Love does what is best for those who are loved and God loves all mankind, even those who reject Him now.


Psalms 22:
27. All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD,
And all the families of the nations will worship before You.
28. For the kingdom is the LORD'S
And He rules over the nations.
29. All the prosperous of the earth will eat and worship,
All those who go down to the dust will bow before Him,
Even he who cannot keep his soul alive



Psalms 66
4. "All the earth will worship You,
And will sing praises to You;
They will sing praises to Your name." Selah

Psalms 68:18
You have ascended on high, You have led captive Your captives;
You have received gifts among men,
Even among the rebellious also, that the LORD God may dwell there


Isaiah 25:6-8
The LORD of hosts will prepare a lavish banquet for all peoples on this mountain;
A banquet of aged wine, choice pieces with marrow,
And refined, aged wine.
7. And on this mountain He will swallow up the covering which is over all peoples,
Even the veil which is stretched over all nations.
8. He will swallow up death for all time,
And the Lord GOD will wipe tears away from all faces,
And He will remove the reproach of His people from all the earth;
For the LORD has spoken

He gives each and everyone of us understanding that we can either receive His love now or throw it away. He permits all to make that decision,....regardless what universalism teach!!

It was His good pleasure to reconcile all to Himself, Curly. The decision is His, not ours. We are the work of His hands. We may reject Him temporarily, however eventually every knee will bow in worship before Him and every tongue will confess/proclaim/give thanks to the Creator of all. It's all right there. All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to Him. He works all things according to the counsel of His will.

This teaching of universalism is just another tool of Satan....teaching and denying the cross of Christ...forgiveness is through the BLOOD!!! Without the BLOOD no person will escape the punishment that is coming from the rebellion of sin!!

That is why one needs the Holy Spirit to keep and lead them into the TRUTH. He reveals the dark crafty lies of Satan...or they will be tossed to and fro with every teaching that denies Jesus Christ, Him crucified. Forgiveness is given through the BLOOD! It covers my sin and anyone else who will receive Christ Jesus into their life.....

Christian Universalism does not deny the cross of Jesus. It was God's good pleasure to reconcile all to Himself having made peace through the blood of His cross. (See Colossians 1)

It is what is..........

Amen. God bless.

[spm62]

Originally Posted by curlythecosmo

The one reason I could never turn to universalism.....is the heart of the spirit! The attitudes of arrogance, pride, haughtiness, gossipers, provoker and accusers of the TRUE CHILDREN OF GOD! A very deep anger comes across with those who hold to this teaching! All the things in opposition of God's love.....

Now that is very ironic. I mean seriously, are you kidding me? Everybody knows the reputation of the church. You hear it time and again , the arrogance of church taught people, the anger of the fundy`s, etc. But you sit there with a straight face and seriously say the people who believe in the scripture, the love of God, that Jesus will do what he came to do, that nothing or nobody is out of God`s reach, that we will all be reconciled to our creator..we, we have pride? My goodness curly, you really need to take a long look in the mirror. Look around you and hear what people say about people intoxicated with man`s teaching, such as yourself. Then come back with a sincere heart and tell us who has the pride. Who has pride curly..the ones who say it is all up to Christ and he will do what he came to do or ones led by man who say no, it`s not up to God but it`s up to me to decide. I decide what happens to me. According to you, you make the decision. You decide what happens. That is pride my friend. Let go of that pride, curly. God is in control, not you. Maybe you wish you had that much power, but fortunately you do not.

[ShanaBrown]

Don't start..... anyone can quote scripture!!!

Hi Curly, if we share scriptures on which our belief is founded, you speak against this, and if we share our beliefs based on scriptures, you speak against this. If we share research and information from other believers on this subject, you speak against this Hmmmmmm...... God bless.

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

So will all be saved?

No, all will not be saved!

https://www.city-data.com/forum/8588165-post27.html

[ShanaBrown]

It was God's good pleasure to reconcile all to Himself, Alpha, having made peace through the blood of His cross No one can resist the intention of God forever. God bless.

[I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

No, all will not be saved!

https://www.city-data.com/forum/8588165-post27.html

You are correct Brother Alpha, as much as they would like to believe that everyone is going to Heaven, the Bible says different.

[ShanaBrown]

James 1

18 Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures

Romans 8

18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed to us-ward.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creation/creature waiteth for the revealing of the sons of God.
20 For the creation/creature was subjected to vanity, not of its own will, but by reason of him who subjected it, in hope*
21 that the creation/creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

*hope=elpis=expectation

Thank you, Jesus. God bless.

[Birdy_56]

Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA

You are correct Brother Alpha, as much as they would like to believe that everyone is going to Heaven, the Bible says different.

Everyone is going to heaven? Is that insider information? Jesus did not say I am the Way the Truth and the Life, no man comes to heaven but by Me. The fact is, our Father's kingdom encompasses a new heavens and a new earth wherein dwelleth rightousness. And there are those who most assuredly do not qualify to be a part of the City of Fire, but they dwell in the light of the city...can you tell us who they are?

Alpha says..."Hell's real. It's eternal."

The apostle John declares both death and hell are terminated in the Lake of Theos/Pur.

Alpha says...Hell's real. It's eternal.

The apostle John says the leaves of the Tree of Life are for the healing of the nations. And there shall no longer be a curse upon anything.

Curly says...."There will not be a reconcilation of all things."

The apostle St. Paul says....

"He has made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in heaven and things on earth, to find their one head in Him. And you too, who in Him were made heirs, having been chosen beforehand in accordance with the intention of Him whose might carries out in everything the design of His own will."

[Birdy_56]

Curly says...."There will not be a reconcilation of all things."

The apostle Luke says....

"Jesus Christ...whom the heaven must receive until the restitution of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began."

Restitution=

*** "When all things are put right" -BAS

*** "For the universal reformation." -Gdsp.

*** "When all is restored anew." -Knox

*** "Until the whole world is re-created." -Rieu

*** "Until the final recovery of all things from sin." -Taylor

*** "Of universal restoration." -TCNT

*** "Of the reconstition of all things." -Francis Weymouth

[Birdy_56]

Curly says...."There will not be a reconcilation of all things."

The Lord through the mouth of His prophet Hosea declares "not my people" shall become My people.

Alpha says all will not be saved.

St. Paul declares all beings in the heavens and earth and underworld shall worship Him in/en the Name of all names and to the Father's great glory.

Alpha says all will not be saved.

The apostle St. Paul says in all things He shall have preeminence & that He has made peace through the blood of His cross, by Him to reconcile the all things/ the ta pavnte unto Himself.

To Reconcile=

To cause to be friendly again.

To conciliate anew.

To restore to friendship.

To bring back to harmony.

To cause to be no longer at variance.

To bring to acquiescence and quiet submission.

To bring to agreement.

To bring into consonance and accord.

To make compatible.

To call back to fellowship.

To restore to fellowship.

To settle, harmonize and make compatible.

To bring together/ conciliate/ placate/ re-unite/ adjust.

To re-establish a close relationship.

Reconcile= Apokatallasso

Apokatallasso=

To reconcile completely.

To reconcile back again.

To bring back a former state of harmony.

It was through the Son that God cleared the way for everything to come to Him....and you likewise...