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Spirit is how you describe the essence of someone. It is the character of a being. It is not a separate being. Spiritualists know this. Apparently the religious have no clue. The only possible Holy Spirit would be a God, if a God exists, otherwise all beings are Spirits, Holy, wicked, or everything in between. It takes a strange mind to accept illogical and improbable nonsense like what is used to defend a concept like the Trinity.
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Originally Posted by Mike555
You who are not even sure of the existence of God, as made clear by your statement 'if a God exists', are hardly qualified to speak on the triunity of God.
Surely the use of language is not limited to Christian believers in the Trinity. "Holy" is an adjective describing the Spirit. It is like the Jolly Spirit of Christmas describes Santa, not a separate entity from Santa. I would think this use of language was straightforward enough for anyone, Christian or not.
"The majority of NT texts reveal God's spirit as something, not someone; this is especially seen in the parallelism between the spirit and the power of God." (1967, Vol. XIII, p. 575) It also says: "The Apologists spoke too haltingly of the Spirit; with a measure of anticipation, one might say too impersonally." The New Catholic Encyclopedia: - Vol. XIV, p. 296.
It is late here, so I will have to address the scriptures given in this thread tomorrow, or actually later today.
There is a very simple fact that proves that you are WRONG.
In every scripture referring to the Holy Spirit the personal pronoun, first person singular is used. He, Him, His. If what you say was true then it would be "It the Holy Spirit" and not "He the Holy Spirit".
Surely the use of language is not limited to Christian believers in the Trinity. "Holy" is an adjective describing the Spirit. It is like the Jolly Spirit of Christmas describes Santa, not a separate entity from Santa. I would think this use of language was straightforward enough for anyone, Christian or not.
"Holy is a synonym for God or the Spirit itself; the Holy Spirit of God."
There is a very simple fact that proves that you are WRONG.
In every scripture referring to the Holy Spirit the personal pronoun, first person singular is used. He, Him, His. If what you say was true then it would be "It the Holy Spirit" and not "He the Holy Spirit".
Its called personification, and oddly enough, it doesn't imply personage. You ever study Spanish? A table is what, feminine or masculine? I can't remember. A book? Many languages use masculine, feminine and neuter. Hebrew and Greek, for example.
What about wisdom, sin and death? Wisdom is personified in the book of Proverbs (1:20-33; 8:1-36) Wisdom is feminine. Paul called sin and death kings. (Romans 5:14, 17, 21; 6:12) He said sin is "receiving an inducement," 'working out covetousness,' 'seducing,' and 'killing.' (Romans 7:8-11)
The Greek pneuma (spirit) itself is neuter, but when the Holy spirit is used as a helper (Greek parakletos) that is masculine, so it is always a he. It no more means the Holy Spirit is a he and therefore God than a ship is a she and therefore someones wife.
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and Holiness have been clearly seen; being understood through what has been made, so that they [you] are without excuse.
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Originally Posted by Mike555
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
Revelation 15:4 - "For You alone are holy [divine] ..."
Furthermore, I am not, an advocate of Strong's.
"Holy is a synonym for God or the Spirit itself; the Holy Spirit of God."
How many things in the Bible are mentioned as holy? Bread is one. Is bread God? The nation of Israel, its people, the Priests, especially the high priests, prophets, Sabbath, Nazirite . . .
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Reason: Typographical error . . . Alright! Alright! Mispelling.
It has been clearly shown that the Holy Spirit makes sovereign decisions. He speaks. He teaches. Those are qualities of Personhood. Not of an impersonal force or attribute.
Later in this thread I point out that the same is true of wisdom, sin, death.
How many things in the Bible are mentioned as holy? Bread is one. Is bread God? The nation of Israel, its people, the Priests, especially the high priests, prophets, Sabbath, Nazirite . . .
One post read "What is the Godhead?" I believe Godhead is a multifaceted manifestation of the "one" God. His image is in the human form of Jesus (as Jesus put it "I and my father are one" "If you have seen me (Jesus) you have seen the father" God is spirit and Jesus is Gods image in human flesh form. Now there is some controversey with respect to the Holy Spirit as He or She but the spirit of God has always been gender neutral. Simply speaking God portrays Himself in three separate ways or roles yet again one.
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