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Old 09-24-2012, 06:31 AM
 
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if righteouseness could come from keeping the law then Christ would have no effect.

the fact is it cannot...the law was our tutor..till the promise of the seed would come.

i think it is great you keep the sabbath and praise god continually as we are called to do.

Romans, galatians, ephesians, phillipians all so clear about the grace of God.....

I simply don't see how you take the gospel pre crucifixion words of jesus spoken to phairsees,scribes and make them a new law in the post resurrection new covenant age..

i simply would like you to elaborate....
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Old 09-24-2012, 09:07 AM
 
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if righteouseness could come from keeping the law then Christ would have no effect.

the fact is it cannot...the law was our tutor..till the promise of the seed would come.

i think it is great you keep the sabbath and praise god continually as we are called to do.

Romans, galatians, ephesians, phillipians all so clear about the grace of God.....

I simply don't see how you take the gospel pre crucifixion words of jesus spoken to phairsees,scribes and make them a new law in the post resurrection new covenant age..

i simply would like you to elaborate....
If you could reword your question in a much more precise way, it might help to give a much more precise answer instead of just tyring to explain things that do not really need to be explained.

The Old Covenant ended at the death of Christ. The New Covenant will begin when Christ returns. The New Testament Church is now being given an opportunity to live under the conditions of the New Covenant and those who are called and chosen and have been begotten with God's Holy Spirit will be born again as spirit God Beings into the Family of God at the Return of Christ and rule with Him when He sets up the Kingdom of God on this earth. The giving of the Law to ancient Israel and the giving Holy Spirit to the New Testament Church and this present Church age are pictured in the annual Holy Day the Feast of Weeks or Pentecost. It also represents a small harvest of human beings to be born into the Family of God. Now, Christ spoke in parables to hide the meaning from the world in general. For the most part, this world is blinded and cannot comprehend the true Gospel of the Kingdom of God. So only a very few are being called now. The greater harvest of human beings into the Family of God comes after Christ Returns (pictured by the annual Holy Day, the Feast of Trumpets) and sets up the Kingdom of God on this Earth, puts Satan away for a thousand years (pictured by the annual Holy Day, the Day of Atonement) and then begins to rule for a thousand years (pictured by the annual Holy Day, the Feast of Tabernacles).

We are now in that small harvest period. God is only calling about 1/100,000+ people at this time. This parallels the two harvest periods pictured in God's Holy Days. God must draw a person to Christ. God selects those who will rule with Christ when He returns. No one can join God's True Church. God the Father must select each and every one of the true Saints. The world in general is blinded and are not being called at this time. They are not lost, but will simple be called at a later period. God needs to put God Beings called now in positions supporting Christ so when the greater harvest begins, Christ and the resurrected Saints will be in position and can effectively to do this great work ahead. Before you open a school, you must first have teachers and administrators. God's Church today is actually like a teacher's college. God and Christ are preparing those who will teach God's way of Life in the coming reign of His Son on this earth. You must live by every Word of God, by all the rules that God has given in His Holy Word to be able to teach them in the Coming Kingdom of God.
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Old 09-24-2012, 09:39 AM
 
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If you could reword your question in a much more precise way, it might help to give a much more precise answer instead of just tyring to explain things that do not really need to be explained.

The Old Covenant ended at the death of Christ. The New Covenant will begin when Christ returns. The New Testament Church is now being given an opportunity to live under the conditions of the New Covenant and those who are called and chosen and have been begotten with God's Holy Spirit will be born again as spirit God Beings into the Family of God at the Return of Christ and rule with Him when He sets up the Kingdom of God on this earth. The giving of the Law to ancient Israel and the giving Holy Spirit to the New Testament Church and this present Church age are pictured in the annual Holy Day the Feast of Weeks or Pentecost. It also represents a small harvest of human beings to be born into the Family of God. Now, Christ spoke in parables to hide the meaning from the world in general. For the most part, this world is blinded and cannot comprehend the true Gospel of the Kingdom of God. So only a very few are being called now. The greater harvest of human beings into the Family of God comes after Christ Returns (pictured by the annual Holy Day, the Feast of Trumpets) and sets up the Kingdom of God on this Earth, puts Satan away for a thousand years (pictured by the annual Holy Day, the Day of Atonement) and then begins to rule for a thousand years (pictured by the annual Holy Day, the Feast of Tabernacles).

We are now in that small harvest period. God is only calling about 1/100,000+ people at this time. This parallels the two harvest periods pictured in God's Holy Days. God must draw a person to Christ. God selects those who will rule with Christ when He returns. No one can join God's True Church. God the Father must select each and every one of the true Saints. The world in general is blinded and are not being called at this time. They are not lost, but will simple be called at a later period. God needs to put God Beings called now in positions supporting Christ so when the greater harvest begins, Christ and the resurrected Saints will be in position and can effectively to do this great work ahead. Before you open a school, you must first have teachers and administrators. God's Church today is actually like a teacher's college. God and Christ are preparing those who will teach God's way of Life in the coming reign of His Son on this earth. You must live by every Word of God, by all the rules that God has given in His Holy Word to be able to teach them in the Coming Kingdom of God.

Hebrews clearly stated when the New Covenant began



Hebrews 9:15-17

New King James Version (NKJV)

15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:35 AM
 
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that's a great explanantion but why did not the new covenant begin at the shed blood of
christ...Paul preached like it did...

is this a teaching you received from a known scholar in escatology? or do you have the scriptures that say the new covenant has not begun yet.....i have not come across them...
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Old 09-25-2012, 08:07 AM
 
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that's a great explanantion but why did not the new covenant begin at the shed blood of
christ...Paul preached like it did...

is this a teaching you received from a known scholar in escatology? or do you have the scriptures that say the new covenant has not begun yet.....i have not come across them...
"...Those God has called to enter into the New Covenant marriage with Christ at His soon return, are now preparing to become the wife of Christ. Others in past ages who were called, chosen and faithful to God’s way until death, have already been prepared by God. They are awaiting the resurrection from the dead when they, too, will enter into the New Covenant marriage with Christ along with those who will still be alive at Christ’s coming. After His return, Christ will continue to propose the New Covenant with humans who are born during the Millennium, as well as with those who are resurrected during the Great White Throne judgment period after the Millennium. It is during the latter period when all of ancient Israel will be given their opportunity to enter into the New Covenant with Christ...."
http://cog-web-svc.com/hwa/cc/cc-32/cc32-17.pdf

No, we don't have any known scholars in our groups.

The subject takes many scriptures and a lot of explanation. If you are not familiar with these scriptures then it would require a lot of expounding to get the correct understanding.

Because of time and space, I will have to give you links to some material that will explain this subject thoroughly:

The Simple Truth About the Old and New Covenants
http://cog-web-svc.com/hwa/cc/cc-32/cc32-17.pdf

The New Covenant and Testament
http://cog-web-svc.com/hwa/cc/cc-58/cc58-19.pdf

The Two Covenants Concern YOUR ETERNAL LIFE!
http://cog-web-svc.com/hwa/cc/cc-58/cc58-18.pdf
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Old 09-25-2012, 09:16 PM
 
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thanks for your kind reply! i will check it out....
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Old 01-08-2013, 08:37 AM
 
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It is very clear by these verses that there is more one can do outside the 10 commandments that will also cause them not to go to heaven, but going to church on a Sunday, or not resting all day Saturday is not listed anywhere.
The easy answer to... "What will keep one from inheriting the Kingdom of Heaven?"

A soul without God's Divine Love (the Essence of God)... as it is our salvation and in order to reach the Highest Celestial Heavens, we have to possess it.

I learned about this type of prayer called "infused contemplation," which explains it.

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It is a kind of prayer that we cannot achieve by our own efforts no matter how much we may be able to help prepare ourselves for it and cooperate with it when it is given. It is a prayer in which God's presence is not only believed in, but somehow felt or experienced. It is a gift that appears to be given to a minority of those who devote themselves to the Christian life of prayer.
Infused Contemplation: An Interview
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:37 PM
 
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We have inherited it,unfortunately most of us either don't know it or don't believe it, and worse still others believe its outside of them or look to it outside of them. The Kingdom of our God is within us,and as far as I am concerned this is the good news,the pearl of great price,that God our Savior within us, is mighty to save.
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