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Old 08-02-2016, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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Breakers of the law, those who sit in gardens eating the flesh of swine.



''But Lord, we taught your name in the streets and did miracles in your name.''
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.{The lawless}


2 Thessalonians 2:9 The coming of the lawless one will be in ...
... The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. ...



We are warned against lawless times when people would call unrighteousness, righteousness, people who stand against everything that is called of God or that is worshipped in his Torah and system of Sabbaths and feasts.
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Old 08-02-2016, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Men have twisted it all into oblivion--why do you think there are 33,000 different religions claiming to be Christian? One has Jesus.1Cor 1:10)
No. No matter the twisting, the message of Christ continues to shine through.

The 33,000 denominations are not different religions. They are united by a common definition in the earliest consensus on what being Christian mean. Now it is true that some other religions like the JWs do dishonestly call themselves Christians when they know that they are indeed a different religion because they reject the commonality which unites all the denominations of Christianity together.

But just because they are Christian doesn't mean they are innocent of twisting scripture to support an evil agenda.

Any who claim to have Jesus does indeed have their own made up substitute. The real thing isn't had by anybody.

1 Cor 1:10-16 does not deny the divisions exists but warns against using these differences as an excuse for dissension and division -- you know like the way the JWs have done calling everyone else Satanic.
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Old 08-02-2016, 08:00 PM
 
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You didn't answer my question. I see accusations but no answers. Did Jesus lie? Did he NOT make his Father's name known? Is there a name? Why are we commanded to call upon it? The name of God is used over 6000 times in the Bible. Many English Bibles use the name Jehovah. If it was not favored by God then why are more Bibles putting that name in the Bible? Would God allow over 6000 mistakes in His book? Why isn't it being removed? Can I get answers to these please?

As far as your 'do not belong' comment, was Paul also lying at 2 Timothy 2:19? Which says, "The Lord knows those who belong to him," and "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord must turn away from evil." (ISV)

Why does it say 'everyone who calls on the name'? Also to be on thread theme, note those that do must turn away from evil. So it's not just calling on the name of God.

So far you have been saying the exact opposite of what the Bible says. I have shown you Bible truth, do you hear God from the Bible? Or will you ignore Ps 83:18 and 2 Timothy 2:19? To say that Jehovah is a 'made up name' and can't be trusted one might as well say the Bible is a made up book and it too can't be trusted. Is that what you believe?
Jesus did say that the son of man would reveal the Father's name. The name is not a personal type name such as Jesus or Yahweh or Jehovah. It is a mystery known to only the Father and the son.

The reason I say Jehova is made up is because it starts out as four letters but since man cannot understand it they add letters to it. Some say the name is Yaweh. The name is deeper. Jesus spells it out in John 17 for those who have ears to hear.
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Old 08-02-2016, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Men have twisted it all into oblivion--
He is closer to the truth than you are; and I am not a fan.
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Old 08-03-2016, 10:58 AM
 
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Jesus did say that the son of man would reveal the Father's name. The name is not a personal type name such as Jesus or Yahweh or Jehovah. It is a mystery known to only the Father and the son.

The reason I say Jehova is made up is because it starts out as four letters but since man cannot understand it they add letters to it. Some say the name is Yaweh. The name is deeper. Jesus spells it out in John 17 for those who have ears to hear.
Yet we have the name anyway. So God can create a whole universe but can't teach men how to get His name that used over 6000 times in the Bible? It wasn't hard for Jehovah to teach us the name. Many names in the Bible have parts of God's name in them. Jehoshaphat - meaning Jehovah Is Judge. Jehoahaz - meaning Jehovah Has Taken Hold. Isaiah - meaning salvation of Jehovah. It wasn't made up by men and it's no mystery. God has taken care to mark other mistakes or take things out of His book like the Apocrypha and additions to the book of Mark. Yet a mistake about His name is allowed to stay in? Unacceptable reasoning.

In order to call on a name one must know the name on which to call on. To simply call out 'God' is like standing in a crowed room and yelling 'man'. Who is the person calling out talking to?
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Old 08-03-2016, 01:57 PM
 
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No. No matter the twisting, the message of Christ continues to shine through.

The 33,000 denominations are not different religions. They are united by a common definition in the earliest consensus on what being Christian mean. Now it is true that some other religions like the JWs do dishonestly call themselves Christians when they know that they are indeed a different religion because they reject the commonality which unites all the denominations of Christianity together.

But just because they are Christian doesn't mean they are innocent of twisting scripture to support an evil agenda.

Any who claim to have Jesus does indeed have their own made up substitute. The real thing isn't had by anybody.

1 Cor 1:10-16 does not deny the divisions exists but warns against using these differences as an excuse for dissension and division -- you know like the way the JWs have done calling everyone else Satanic.



Wartime proves who is who--The trinity religions by fornicating with the kings of the earth, kill the members of their own religion standing on the opposite side--and meanwhile the teachers of the same religions pray on both sides to the same God( one of the biggest hipocrosys ever witnessed by all creation)--Jesus said--love amongst themselves is one of the true marks--there is 0 love in wars.


Gods word guarantees Jesus is head of the congregation( Ephesians 5:23)--in a single religion--1Cor 1:10--unity of thought-no division--trinities miss this mark as well. disunified thoughts is why the are separate( divided)
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Old 08-05-2016, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Florida -
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Romans 10:13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Acts 2:21 And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved

Matt 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

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These are two different conditions. Romans 10:13 and Acts 2:21 speaks of true believers in Spirit and truth.

Matt. 7:21 refers to the "false prophets" of Matt. 7:15-20 (and also the Matt. 25:41+segment of the parable of the sheep and goats). These are 'head' or 'lip-service Christians.' In this context, we know there is a difference: (1) Some honor God with their lips, but, their hearts are far from God (Isaiah 29:13, Matthew 15:8); (2) Even the demons 'know' there is one God, and tremble (James 2:19) and (3) - The "tares" in the 'wheat and tares parable' - are religious, church-attenders who ostensibly believe in God, but, in whose
hearts God sees a different truth (Matt. 13).
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Old 08-05-2016, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Wartime proves who is who--The trinity religions by fornicating with the kings of the earth, kill the members of their own religion standing on the opposite side--and meanwhile the teachers of the same religions pray on both sides to the same God( one of the biggest hipocrosys ever witnessed by all creation)--Jesus said--love amongst themselves is one of the true marks--there is 0 love in wars.


Gods word guarantees Jesus is head of the congregation( Ephesians 5:23)--in a single religion--1Cor 1:10--unity of thought-no division--trinities miss this mark as well. disunified thoughts is why the are separate( divided)
I will honor the pacifism and contientious objection to participation in war UNTIL it becomes an excuse for self-righteousness like this, then it becomes nothing but pure filth.
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Old 08-05-2016, 10:03 PM
 
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I will honor the pacifism and contientious objection to participation in war UNTIL it becomes an excuse for self-righteousness like this, then it becomes nothing but pure filth.
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Old 08-06-2016, 08:19 AM
 
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Romans 10:13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Acts 2:21 And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved

Matt 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Thoughts?

Dear lego,
You might want to actually define what the term "saved" means. Romans 10:13 is simply an excerpt from Joel 2:32, and is with respect to one point in time whereas there will be "survivors" (Joel 2:32) of the "awesome day of the lord comes" (Joel 2:31). From that point of view, there have been no survivors, for that day has not arrived.


Your dead great grandparents were not "saved" with respect to that verse. As for who will "enter the kingdom of heaven", many have already done so, and have "entered into life". Being "saved" and to "enter the kingdom of heaven" are two different puppies. Unfortunately for the "many" (Mt 7:13), they have entered the "broad" "way" into "destruction", and have followed the "false prophets" (Mt 7:15). As for the millennium, that is simply the kingdom established on earth with "one" "king" (Zech 14:9), but make sure to let the mahdi Barry Soetoro know, that that king will not be him.
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