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This illustrates why I believe this sort of New Age approach to Christianity stands the gospel on its head and robs it of its saving power.
The verse says "believes in Him," not "believes Him." Who are you to decide that what the text plainly states in every extant version is wrong? As I've said previously, your "mind of Christ" is simply YOUR mind. You are one step removed from someone who thinks he IS Christ.
Believing "in" Jesus is believing who he said he was as well as his own description of his mission. Because you don't like who he said he was and what he said his mission was, you simply read those verses out of the NT as though those who actually knew Jesus and walked with him were all delusional. THEY didn't understand him, but YOU, some goof on an internet forum in 2020, do. Ya think?
What we believe ABOUT Jesus is critical to understanding who he was and what his mission was. It is critical to being saved and leading a Christian life. This is true regardless of whether we read the verse as actually written or as you would bastardize it. We cannot "believe Him" without "believing in Him."
To repeat: The New Age approach stands the gospel on its head and robs it of its saving power.
Try to come down off that high horse, he didn't bastardize anything?
Not everyone who calls on the Lord will enter the Kingdom, but all who call on the Lord will be saved
1: Nobody needs to be "saved."
2: Those who do wrong must atone.
3: Those who have atoned - or died whilst in mid-process - will have a relatively short and painless debriefing upon reaching their corporeal expiration date.
4: Those self-righteous - who feel no need to atone for they followed the rule book to the letter plus said The Magic Words To Jesus - a long, interesting-in-the-Chinese-curse-kind-of-way, post-mortal journey awaits.
This illustrates why I believe this sort of New Age approach to Christianity stands the gospel on its head and robs it of its saving power.
The verse says "believes in Him," not "believes Him." Who are you to decide that what the text plainly states in every extant version is wrong? As I've said previously, your "mind of Christ" is simply YOUR mind. You are one step removed from someone who thinks he IS Christ.
Believing "in" Jesus is believing who he said he was as well as his own description of his mission. Because you don't like who he said he was and what he said his mission was, you simply read those verses out of the NT as though those who actually knew Jesus and walked with him were all delusional. THEY didn't understand him, but YOU, some goof on an internet forum in 2020, do. Ya think?
What we believe ABOUT Jesus is critical to understanding who he was and what his mission was. It is critical to being saved and leading a Christian life. This is true regardless of whether we read the verse as actually written or as you would bastardize it. We cannot "believe Him" without "believing in Him."
To repeat: The New Age approach stands the gospel on its head and robs it of its saving power.
This illustrates why I believe this sort of New Age approach to Christianity stands the gospel on its head and robs it of its saving power.
The verse says "believes in Him," not "believes Him." Who are you to decide that what the text plainly states in every extant version is wrong? As I've said previously, your "mind of Christ" is simply YOUR mind. You are one step removed from someone who thinks he IS Christ.
Believing "in" Jesus is believing who he said he was as well as his own description of his mission. Because you don't like who he said he was and what he said his mission was, you simply read those verses out of the NT as though those who actually knew Jesus and walked with him were all delusional. THEY didn't understand him, but YOU, some goof on an internet forum in 2020, do. Ya think?
What we believe ABOUT Jesus is critical to understanding who he was and what his mission was. It is critical to being saved and leading a Christian life. This is true regardless of whether we read the verse as actually written or as you would bastardize it. We cannot "believe Him" without "believing in Him."
To repeat: The New Age approach stands the gospel on its head and robs it of its saving power.
Your personal "New Age" bogeyman has nothing to do with my Christian views although it seems to comfort you to think it does. Your acceptance of the barbaric interpretation as some payment or punishment to appease God for whatever you think humankind needs to be forgiven for infests your interpretation of Christ's accomplishment. He actually endured our ancestors' savagery and brutality out of love for us all to unambiguously demonstrate the true nature of God as agape love. He smote no one and loved even His torturers and murderers. How can you believe the God revealed so clearly by Christ would ever torment anyone forever for any reason or do any of the awful things our primitive ancestors' believed He did? You make no effort to actually know the "mind of Christ" and that is why you do not know the "mind of God."
Your personal "New Age" bogeyman has nothing to do with my Christian views although it seems to comfort you to think it does. Your acceptance of the barbaric interpretation as some payment or punishment to appease God for whatever you think humankind needs to be forgiven for infests your interpretation of Christ's accomplishment. He actually endured our ancestors' savagery and brutality out of love for us all to unambiguously demonstrate the true nature of God as agape love. He smote no one and loved even His torturers and murderers. How can you believe the God revealed so clearly by Christ would ever torment anyone forever for any reason or do any of the awful things our primitive ancestors' believed He did? You make no effort to actually know the "mind of Christ" and that is why you do not know the "mind of God."
There's nothing complicated about John 6:40 or any of the many other verses which say to believe in Christ.'
And John 14:12 is not a salvation passage. It was addressed primarily to his immediate disciples who did do greater works, quantitatively rather than qualitatively speaking, because Jesus' public ministry lasted only three years while the disciple's ministries lasted much longer.
Eternal salvation is by faith alone, NOT by works, as Paul stated over and over. To believe IN Jesus means to simply trust in his finished redemptive work on the cross . . .to believe that he died for your sins and rose again.
What is ''beholds, looks'' you ask? John 3:14 says ''And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
John 3:14 refers back to Numbers 21:8-9.
Numbers 21:8 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a standard; and it shall come about, that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, he will live." 9] So Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on a pole. And if a serpent bit anyone, he would look at the bronze serpent and live.
Because of the Israelite's disobedience in the wilderness God sent poisonous snakes which bit many of them. But those who simply looked at the bronze serpent which Moses had made lived. All they had to do was look. No works, just look and live. And so anyone who beholds the Son and believes in him will have eternal life.
At the end of the day "it is by works" not by works of the Law but by works of transformed consciousness.
6"He will render to each one according to his works: 7to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; 8but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury. 9There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, 10but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek. 11For God shows no partiality."
At the end of the day "it is by works" not by works of the Law but by works of transformed consciousness.
6"He will render to each one according to his works: 7to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; 8but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury. 9There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, 10but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek. 11For God shows no partiality."
At the end of the day, WHAT is according to his works? Not eternal salvation. As Paul states, we are saved by grace through faith, and not by works. Ephesians 2:8-9.
The believer is rewarded at the judgment seat of Christ for his works. But that has nothing to do with the issue of eternal salvation.
At the end of the day, WHAT is according to his works? Not eternal salvation. As Paul states, we are saved by grace through faith, and not by works. Ephesians 2:8-9.
The believer is rewarded at the judgment seat of Christ for his works. But that has nothing to do with the issue of eternal salvation.
Christ us present in our being, judging (separating) good and evil.
9"The true light, which gives light to everyone"
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