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Old 12-20-2010, 05:17 AM
 
Location: Florida
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But you believe He doesn't always get what He desires so how can you trust Him to deliver what He promises?
I have already explained to you many times that 10 commandments, and other moral laws and desires were revealed TO US HUMANS to obey. God revelead His desire regarding us. People are people, and we did not obey, but if God promises that HE WILL save us if we believe in Him, then you better believe it that He will.

You are confusing the decreed will of God with the permissive desire of God.
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Old 12-20-2010, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Tucson, Arizona
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God is obviously wiling that humanity experience sin and evil ...


Isa 54:16
See, it is I who created the blacksmith who fans the coals into flame and forges a weapon fit for its work. And it is I who have created the destroyer to work havoc


Above it is clear that God created the destroyer, who is Satan, for the very purpose of wreaking havoc in creation. Why? Because in order to purify the creation, it must first be destroyed and then made new again.

And we read again ...


Pro 16:4
The LORD has made all things for himself: yes, even the wicked for the day of evil.


So God made the wicked for his own purpose ... As it is written above ... Do you believe that?

So if the scriptures tell us that God makes the wicked for his own purpose, then why do you assume that God does not want people to be wicked?

And we read again ...


Isa 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.


God created evil ... He has a reason for evil and sin existing. Evil and sin existing are not divine mistakes. Why don't you believe what the scriptures teach?

The new testament also testifies of these things ...


Rom 8:20-21
For the creation was subjected to vanity, not of its own will, but by reason of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God.


God subjected the whole creation to the vanity of sin and death for his own good reason, in order that the creation itself will also one day be delivered from the bondage to corruption(sin and death) that God himself subjected it to ...

As it is written ...


Romans 11:32
For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.


God has bound all people over to disobedience, to sin and death and corruption, he has made evil and wickedness for his own purposes, so that he my show us all mercy.

It was always a part of Gods plan that humanity would be under the bondage of sin and death, so that we could learn what true grace and mercy are.

God will get everything he wants, and everything that happens is a part of his plan. Even if you dont believe it and even if you believe God is not able to get what he wants and even if you believe that Gods will is not and will never be done ...

As it is written ...


Isaiah 55:11
so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.


You are simply deceived like many others by the traditions of men and the doctrines of devils which have been taught through the false religions of the mystery Babylon, which is the traditional orthodox religions of the world, including Judaism, Islam, and Christianity.

It is Gods will that sin and death and evil and wickedness exist in this world for a time, so that we might learn what righteousness and life and goodness are ... And one day, when God has accomplished all his purpose for evil and sin and death, they will be done away with, and Gods will that all believe and be saved and made righteous will be accomplished.
This is so clear, I fail to see how anyone can NOT understand this.
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Old 12-20-2010, 07:20 AM
 
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This is so clear, I fail to see how anyone can NOT understand this.
After reading these replies this piece of scripture came to mind:

Lu 6:45 -
A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

The highlighted part is what i was reminded of

What is prominent in ones heart reflects in the way one thinks and act.

Gods' peace and blessings all
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