AT&T vs. Verizon *Official* (signal strength, scientific, result, Motorola)
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I did, and all I saw was your personal testimony, and not actual data and facts.
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Originally Posted by gvillager
Just because it's the best selling it doesn't mean it's the most profitable. Android and Blackberry users pay the same rates and agree to the same two year contract as iPhone users. The iPhone subsidy is much higher than other smartphones so that makes iPhones users less profitable than Blackberry and Android users.
- The iPhone is among the most profitable devices in the industry.
- The launch of the iPhone resulted in the best sales day in each carrier history.
- The iPhone brought in record numbers of new customers for each carrier.
The volume of iPhone customers exceeds that of any device. There is no doubt carriers want the iPhone.
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Originally Posted by gvillager
As if this thread was only about data speeds. Your just mad that VZW has a lower call failure rate than AT&T.
No, not at all. My point was, in the New York City test, you did not mention Verizon 4G LTE speeds because AT&T did not have LTE, but it didnt stop you from mentioning other Verizon LTE performances.
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Originally Posted by DowntownHarrisburg
What's interesting is the ratio of new activations to existing customers. I wonder why so many of AT&T's iPhone sales are to existing customers. Perhaps because they're under contract?
What's the ratio for all carriers? Verizon iPhones, AT&T iPhones, Sprint iPhones?
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Originally Posted by gvillager
Connected Net adds are generally Nooks, Kindle, and Onstar type connections that are used in cars. They only generate about $2-3/month
AT&T connected net adds: 1,038,000
VZW connected net adds: 367,000 (may be part of reseller and prepaid net adds)
Not quite. Verizon counts iPads/tablets as postpaid devices, while AT&T counts them as connected devices.
I did, and all I saw was your personal testimony, and not actual data and facts.
Facts are facts. Feel free to visit Pennsylvania and see for yourself. I'll be happy to provide you with locations. For added amusement, see if your employer will provide you with aircards from Sprint, T-Mobile, and Verizon. I think you'll be surprised!
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Not quite. Verizon counts iPads/tablets as postpaid devices, while AT&T counts them as connected devices.
Fail. Both carriers report "connections" in their quarterly earnings. It was pretty amusing when AT&T started trying to compare their "connection count" to Verizon's "customer count", but the public caught on.
Facts are facts. Feel free to visit Pennsylvania and see for yourself. I'll be happy to provide you with locations. For added amusement, see if your employer will provide you with aircards from Sprint, T-Mobile, and Verizon. I think you'll be surprised!
It's time to get the record straight.
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Originally Posted by DowntownHarrisburg
Ergo, AT&T's 3G is inferior to Verizon's 3G.
AT&T's "new 4G" is inferior to Verizon's 4G.
AT&T's "old 4G" is inferior to Verizon's 4G.
According to yourtestimony,
- In your Pennsylvania area, AT&T's 3G HSPA network does not perform as well as Verizon's.
- In your Pennsylvania area, AT&T's 4G HSPA+ network does not perform as well as Verizon's 4G LTE network.
- In your Pennsylvania area, AT&T's 4G LTE network does not exist.
I think it's clear now. No need to be fraudulent.
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Originally Posted by DowntownHarrisburg
Fail. Both carriers report "connections" in their quarterly earnings. It was pretty amusing when AT&T started trying to compare their "connection count" to Verizon's "customer count", but the public caught on.
Yes, they do report "connections" in their quarterly earnings. However, it was not AT&T who made the claim, it was article reporters. Customers with and without connections is where reporters got confused. No need to be fraudulent.
- The iPhone is among the most profitable devices in the industry.
- The launch of the iPhone resulted in the best sales day in each carrier history.
- The iPhone brought in record numbers of new customers for each carrier.
The volume of iPhone customers exceeds that of any device. There is no doubt carriers want the iPhone.
Of course the iPhone is a very desirable and profitable. It's just less profitable per handset. All the news links in the world aren't going to change that.
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Originally Posted by Stephen1110
No, not at all. My point was, in the New York City test, you did not mention Verizon 4G LTE speeds because AT&T did not have LTE, but it didnt stop you from mentioning other Verizon LTE performances.
Your the one that posted the article about the great speeds on AT&T LTE, and I responded with a justification for their speeds. I then brought up how high AT&T's call failure is but apparently thats not a relevant point to the discussion. Since you have provided us with such a "superior framework of the issue" how do you propose I should have introduced this evidence? Should I just not have brought it up? Should I have created a new post? Or maybe I should have started a whole new thread?
Of course the iPhone is a very desirable and profitable. It's just less profitable per handset. All the news links in the world aren't going to change that.
The subsidy of one iPhone is $200 more than that of any android. Yes, per handset, it is less profitable. Granted, since the iPhone sells 2.5 times more than any android, it becomes more profitable.
For every one android, there is 2.5 iPhones sold. The profit from the volume of the iPhones exceed that of one android.
Verizon iPhone sales predictions:
13M iPhones x $400 subsidy costs = $5.2B
13M iPhones x $1680 ($70 plan, 2 year contract) = $21.84B
Total profits: $16.64B
5.2M Thunderbolts x $200 subsidy costs = $1.04B
5.2M Thunderbolts x $$1680 ($70 plan, 2 year contract) = $8.736B
Total profits: $7.696B
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Originally Posted by gvillager
Your the one that posted the article about the great speeds on AT&T LTE, and I responded with a justification for their speeds. I then brought up how high AT&T's call failure is but apparently thats not a relevant point to the discussion. Since you have provided us with such a "superior framework of the issue" how do you propose I should have introduced this evidence? Should I just not have brought it up? Should I have created a new post? Or maybe I should have started a whole new thread?
Seriously?!? 5.88% call failure rate!?!
Justification of speeds? AT&T 4G LTE was shown to be faster than that of Verizon 4G LTE.
AT&T's call failure rate did not surprise me. I've already admitted problems that AT&T's network had in New York City.
My point was, you excluded Verizon 4G LTE data speeds because you thought it wouldnt be a fair comparison, due to the fact AT&T 4G LTE was not available. However, you still touted other performances from the Verizon 4G LTE network. I was just noting the inconsistency in your post.
Speed:
AT&T iPhone 4S and iPhone 4 are 3x and 2x faster than the closest competitor, respectively.
- Sprint’s iPhone scored the highest on live network voice quality on the uplink
- AT&T's iPhone scored the highest on the live network voice quality on the downlink.
It's been clear since the beginning. AT&T's network is inferior to Verizon's. Your argument amounts to "your results are invalid because you're not comparing them in an area where AT&T is superior".
And you keep using the word "fraudulent" incorrectly.
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Yes, they do report "connections" in their quarterly earnings. However, it was not AT&T who made the claim, it was article reporters.
Nope, it was you:
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Originally Posted by Stephen1110
Verizon counts iPads/tablets as postpaid devices, while AT&T counts them as connected devices.
Justification of speeds? AT&T 4G LTE was shown to be faster than that of Verizon 4G LTE.
AT&T's LTE speed: Zero.
Veriozn's LTE speed: Typically around 30-something.
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I was just noting the inconsistency in your post.
Your entire posting history amounts to complaining that "you can't judge AT&T's network based on experiences in locations where AT&T's network is inferior to Verizon's" while demanding that we base our decisions on whatever corporate press releases you're throwing out. Then, once you realize you're losing that old argument, you start spamming the forum with advertisements -- which is incidentally against CD's terms of service.
It's been clear since the beginning. AT&T's network is inferior to Verizon's. Your argument amounts to "your results are invalid because you're not comparing them in an area where AT&T is superior".
On the contrary, your arguments amounts to " your nationwide results are invalid because in my area in Pennsylvania, AT&T is this..this..and this..while Verizon is this..this..and this.."
For example:
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Originally Posted by DowntownHarrisburg
AT&T's LTE speed: Zero.
Veriozn's LTE speed: Typically around 30-something.
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Originally Posted by DowntownHarrisburg
Your entire posting history amounts to complaining that "you can't judge AT&T's network based on experiences in locations where AT&T's network is inferior to Verizon's" while demanding that we base our decisions on whatever corporate press releases you're throwing out. Then, once you realize you're losing that old argument, you start spamming the forum with advertisements -- which is incidentally against CD's terms of service.
Look. More fraudulent information.
Lol. You try so hard. What's next?
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