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I own a Motorola xoom tablet with no contract, My tablet runs on the Verizon LTE 4G data. I must say, it is FAST faster even than my home internet DSL!. I pay $37.00 a month for 10 GBs I got in on a promo. with no contract month to month just like a pre paid phone. I find their customer service GREAT!. The zoom of course works much faster on the 4G network than a phone because the hardware is much more powerful than that they can fit in a phone. In eather case the new Verizon LTE 4G is leaps and bounds above anything before.
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Especially once their network has been repeatedly and consistently shown to be the worst out there.
In all, total connections added in 3Q:
AT&T: 2.1 million
Verizon: 1.3 million
More customers are choosing AT&T.
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It's more likely due to the fact that customers can now choose to get an iPhone on a decent network -- as you said above
Is that why more iPhone/ smartphone customers choose AT&T.
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Most customers renew when their contract is up. Come on now -- even as an AT&T employee you know this
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Of course. Once consumers have a choice of a better network, they'll leave. That's why AT&T locked down as many as they could with early contract renewals.
Your claims are conflicting with each other. For a better network, do they leave or do they stay?
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Sounds like consumers went off to greener pastures. I don't blame them
We pitted AT&T’s 4G LTE network against Verizon’s in Manhattan, taking LG’s new Nitro HD smartphone and the Motorola Droid Razr to a couple of spots in our neighborhood including Madison Square Park and Union Square. In our fifth avenue office, the Nitro HD reached a blistering download speed of 23.8 Mbps, making the Razr’s 6.8 Mbps look like molasses. Uploads speeds for AT&T were equally impressive with the Nitro clocking in at 5.7 Mbps compared to the Droid’s pitiful 0.6 Mbps.
Edit: It would have been nice if I pulled the VZW numbers from the correct quarter in my first post, but these numbers are equally impressive.
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In all, total connections added in 3Q:
AT&T: 2.1 million
Verizon: 1.3 million
More customers are choosing AT&T.
Lets look at these numbers a little bit closer.
Postpaid customers are the most desirable/profitable.
AT&T post paid net adds: 319,000
VZW post paid net adds: 882,000
Prepaid customers aren't very profitable and have high churn, AT&T can have them:
AT&T prepaid net adds: 293,000
VZW prepaid net adds: wasn't disclosed in the press release
Reseller customers are basically those on Net10, Tracfone, and Straight Talk. One of the least desirable customers and only generate about $6 of revenue per month for the carriers. AT&T can have them.
AT&T reseller net adds: 473,000
VZW reseller net adds: wasn't disclosed in the press release.
Connected Net adds are generally Nooks, Kindle, and Onstar type connections that are used in cars. They only generate about $2-3/month
AT&T connected net adds: 1,038,000
VZW connected net adds: 367,000 (may be part of reseller and prepaid net adds)
The real winner here is VZW due to their postpaid net adds.
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Is that why more iPhone/ smartphone customers choose AT&T.
AT&T currently has more smartphone customers because they had the iPhone from the very beginning. The iPhone is also the most subsidized phone, the carriers would much rather sell Blackberry or Android devices because the subsidized costs aren't nearly as high.
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AT&T churn rate fell in the 3Q.
So did Verizon's. Churn is the real gauge of customer satisfaction. AT&T's numbers are impressive, but VZW's are better.
AT&T total churn: 1.28%
AT&T postpaid churn: 1.15% (this actually went up .01% versus 3rd Q year ago, but to be fair when you exclude their Alltel and Centennial migrations their postpaid churn would have been 1.11%)
VZW total churn: 1.26%
VZW postpaid churn: 0.94%
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AT&T continues to be LTE fast
We pitted AT&T’s 4G LTE network against Verizon’s in Manhattan, taking LG’s new Nitro HD smartphone and the Motorola Droid Razr to a couple of spots in our neighborhood including Madison Square Park and Union Square. In our fifth avenue office, the Nitro HD reached a blistering download speed of 23.8 Mbps, making the Razr’s 6.8 Mbps look like molasses. Uploads speeds for AT&T were equally impressive with the Nitro clocking in at 5.7 Mbps compared to the Droid’s pitiful 0.6 Mbps.
Verizon won in nearly every metric. The report is from July and since AT&T didn't have LTE then I'll give them give the benefit of the doubt and won't discuss data speeds. I'll focus on something that is far more important and something that is still a problem for AT&T in NYC, dropped/blocked calls.
Your grasping at straws, this argument can't be won, it's ongoing and ever changing. There are just as many pro VZW news articles/press releases as there are for AT&T. This could go on for years and there still won't be a "winner."
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Slightly OT, but think it's interesting to point out that Net10, Tracfone, and StraightTalk are all run by the same company. They now have MVNO network usage agreements with all four of the big national providers.
The network these phones use depends on the model (CDMA vs. GSM, smartphone vs. dumbphone, etc.) and location they expect you to use your phone the most (based on the ZIP you provide).
Word on the street/net is that StraightTalk uses the Verizon network, but that's only true if you have a non-smart CDMA model. (If it uses a SIM card, it's not CDMA.) Their new Android CDMA model uses SprintPCS for voice and 3G. Their Nokia (non-android) qwerty phones use the AT&T network. StraightTalk and TracFone GSM dumbphones on store shelves in my area generally come with a T-Mobile SIM in the box (in other areas, they might be more likely to come boxed with an AT&T SIM).
The real winner here is VZW due to their postpaid net adds.
True, but that wasnt my argument. My argument was that more customers are choosing AT&T. In every category.
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The iPhone is also the most subsidized phone, the carriers would much rather sell Blackberry or Android devices because the subsidized costs aren't nearly as high.
Not quite. Carriers want the iPhone. It's the highest selling device on all three major carriers.
So, carriers want the iPhone more than you think. Subsidy costs are made up with two-year contracts. Thus, the more two-year contracts you have, the better. Because remember:
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Postpaid customers are the most desirable/profitable.
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Verizon won in nearly every metric. The report is from July and since AT&T didn't have LTE then I'll give them give the benefit of the doubt and won't discuss data speeds
Well, in that case, since you wont discuss data speeds because AT&T didnt have LTE, whereas Verizon did, you should not have discussed anything else. No double standards.
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There are just as many pro VZW news articles/press releases as there are for AT&T.
Well, in that case, since you wont discuss data speeds because AT&T didnt have LTE, whereas Verizon did, you should not have discussed anything else. No double standards.
Do you want to talk real-world data speeds? Like the kind I can walk outside and hit right now? Okay. Verizon's fastest service here is around 30-40 Mb/s down, while AT&T's fastest service here can theoretically reach 7.2 Mb/s down.
Unless you'd rather compare Gs, in which case Verizon's 3G typically runs 2-3Mb/s down, while AT&T's 3G can run from 200k - 3-something. Remember, you renamed your HSPA+ as "4G", so it's not 3G anymore.
But if you want to compare LTE to LTE, it's currently around 30-40 Mb/s down for Verizon (or 50 as we saw above), while AT&T's is ... wait, let me double-check ...
Zero.
And seriously, why do you keep spamming the forum with advertising?
This is the biggest ongoing problem that AT&T has. They have an underpowered, neglected network that's about to run out of space. They have a lengthy, well-documented history of providing the worst possible service to consumers.
Their official response?
To spam forums with advertisements and PR.
That's cheaper than building a competitive network, I guess!
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Your grasping at straws, this argument can't be won, it's ongoing and ever changing. There are just as many pro VZW news articles/press releases as there are for AT&T. This could go on for years and there still won't be a "winner."
Though we do have a lot of fun watching Stephen feverishly attempt to defend his employer.
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