Coronavirus (Los Angeles, Oakland: cost of living, mountains, how much)

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by sav858

Yeah but we don't actually know what the vaccination rate specifically needs to be so you can't solely rely on that as a metric. It's always been cases and hospitalizations driving these restrictions so not sure why that should change now.

Nobody said to solely rely on vaccination rate, but now they're about to almost entirely rely on claimed vaccination status There was no vaccination available until mid-winter and therefore cases and hospitalizations were the main metrics.

Some of us don't want to be part of a rapid mass experiment in what happens when the vaccination rate is mediocre and most people unmask in most places anyway. The governor decided to risk it to mollify critics and please some businesses and lower-level leaders apparently don't have the guts to extend restrictions where that does make sense.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Nobody said to solely rely on vaccination rate, but now they're about to almost entirely rely on claimed vaccination status There was no vaccination available until mid-winter and therefore cases and hospitalizations were the main metrics.

Some of us don't want to be part of a rapid mass experiment in what happens when the vaccination rate is mediocre and most people unmask in most places anyway. The governor decided to risk it to mollify critics and please some businesses and lower-level leaders apparently don't have the guts to extend restrictions where that does make sense.

Well stay home I guess then. They should still be the main metrics imo. I think it's odd/overly cautious how some of you want to hold onto these onerous restrictions when pretty everywhere else is more open and has been for a while yet they continue to see cases/hospitalizations fall including places with lower vaccination rates. Perhaps that vaccination threshold doesn't need to be as high as we thought. And if you're vaccinated yourself what does it really matter others aren't as far as risk?

[1AngryTaxPayer]

This is as unconstitutional as it is for firearms. A passport DB or you can be denied entry without your "papers".


https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...-shortly-in-ca

The governor stressed that the choice is in the hands of each individual business. Clearly mindful of the backlash against so-called “vaccine passports”, he took pains to set the still-unannounced state effort apart.

He really wants to be recalled.

[goodheathen]

Some people just don't listen.

Variants are not a secret. The Delta kind is overtaking the older versions.

Also, in Los Angeles, from what I just checked, it looks like there are about 1000 new cases diagnosed each week, and I think we've returned to the bad days where most people are not bothering to get tested.

That is a recipe for a quick rise in cases, maybe nothing terrible for my own health, but possibly people I know and certainly inconveniences that could affect me and many other people.

I will go out with a mask much of the time, which is not a big deal, and do other, lesser things to protect myself, but I shouldn't have to if this virus were being handled more thoroughly.

[ThinkingOutsideTheBox]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

The whole point of vaccination is to keep non-trivial infections from happening. This is summer, when the virus doesn't spread as easily. If vaccination doesn't increase and everyone gets in the habit of being unmasked except in very limited circumstances, that foretells problems later this year. The article did not say a subpar vaccination rate goes with a decent outcome, not this year anyway. People who live where there's hardly any virus shouldn't shrug off the concerns of people who live among the dumbies.

This is why your notion that we, like New Zealand, can eliminate Covid or go for a zero Covid strategy through harsh restrictions, is a pipe dream: if the cops turn their heads the other way while this happened, how the heck can they enforce the masks rules among that certain percentage of the population everyone's afraid to cross paths with making them exempt from basic laws (such as no stealing or assaulting, let alone Covid restriction).



https://defiantamerica.com/video-blm...e-did-nothing/

[sav858]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Some people just don't listen.

Variants are not a secret. The Delta kind is overtaking the older versions.

Also, in Los Angeles, from what I just checked, it looks like there are about 1000 new cases diagnosed each week, and I think we've returned to the bad days where most people are not bothering to get tested.

That is a recipe for a quick rise in cases, maybe nothing terrible for my own health, but possibly people I know and certainly inconveniences that could affect me and many other people.

I will go out with a mask much of the time, which is not a big deal, and do other, lesser things to protect myself, but I shouldn't have to if this virus were being handled more thoroughly.

Listen to what? Fear mongering? Some of you have been going on about variants for months. And now your citing WEEKLY cases versus daily cases to make it seem high. Even if less people are getting tested a .8% positivity rate is very good no matter how you look at it.

Other states wide open seem to be managing fine not sure why you think we can't.

[JGC97]

Originally Posted by sav858

Listen to what? Fear mongering? Some of you have been going on about variants for months. And now your citing WEEKLY cases versus daily cases to make it seem high. Even if less people are getting tested a .8% positivity rate is very good no matter how you look at it.

Other states wide open seem to be managing fine not sure why you think we can't.

It must still be pretty bad in the LA area. I feel bad for them but glad I'm several hundred miles away. Things around here are loosening up. More people going maskless but still keeping a safe enough distance. I can go for that but the mask has got to go!

[TheseGoTo11]

Originally Posted by sav858

Listen to what? Fear mongering? Some of you have been going on about variants for months. And now your citing WEEKLY cases versus daily cases to make it seem high. Even if less people are getting tested a .8% positivity rate is very good no matter how you look at it.

Other states wide open seem to be managing fine not sure why you think we can't.

We're at a point where there's far greater health risks than COVID. But the LA Times, CNN, Washington Post will scrape up every last bit of panic porn they can throw out there. That said, they make take a few days off so they can continue their heavy use of the word "dangerous" by referring to the coming heat wave and related drought.

[goodheathen]

A few thousand new cases each week in a city would be worse than anywhere in the USA a year ago (and probably more transmission than all but the common cold in the colder months). Los Angeles has many virus-friendly factors, which I've detailed before. In my opinion, mask compliance is one of the only things in LA that has kept cases from increasing quickly in most of the periods since the pandemic began. I can't see less than 60% fully vaccinated (in effect less, due to some under-responders to the vaccine) being enough to counteract the disuse of masks for long. Once people head back indoors most of the time due to cooling weather and vaccines start to wear off, Los Angeles heads in a hellish direction. Edit: but if most children can be vaccinated in the fall, maybe that keeps a new wave from happening.

[Mike930]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Nobody said to solely rely on vaccination rate, but now they're about to almost entirely rely on claimed vaccination status There was no vaccination available until mid-winter and therefore cases and hospitalizations were the main metrics.

Some of us don't want to be part of a rapid mass experiment in what happens when the vaccination rate is mediocre and most people unmask in most places anyway. The governor decided to risk it to mollify critics and please some businesses and lower-level leaders apparently don't have the guts to extend restrictions where that does make sense.

Oh, just wait. As of today it’s mostly the “honor system”. That means people can walk into stores maskless, vaccinated or not. Most people that are unvaccinated will not put a mask on anymore.

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

This is as unconstitutional as it is for firearms. A passport DB or you can be denied entry without your "papers".


https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...-shortly-in-ca

The governor stressed that the choice is in the hands of each individual business. Clearly mindful of the backlash against so-called “vaccine passports”, he took pains to set the still-unannounced state effort apart.

He really wants to be recalled.

Par for the course with this idiot. The San Diego Zoo and Southern California theme parks, like so many businesses, are going on the honor system. They’re going to assume you’re vaccinated if you walk in maskless. Even if they required people to show proof or wear a mask, they can’t follow everyone around while they shop. You just walk in 15 feet or so and remove the mask.

Easy.