Coronavirus (mover, property, location)

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by looker009

Are you proposing we shutdown every time we get flu spreading? Should we completely ban smoking because it can and does kill hundred of thousands of American every year? Per google around 480k are dead every year just from smoking. The flu kills annually between 10k -25k and yet i am not hearing /seeing world taking any crazy action to stop it. What is currently is happening is panic and nothing but panic. One country is copying another country etc. Even after we stop virus spread in USA, we can't reopen international travel as it will cause another virus infection epidemic. Basically we have killed life as we have known on this planet and many people seem to be okay with it. If you think we had bad homeless problem before, you can't imagine what will come soon.

The mortality rate from influenza is about .01 the mortality rate from Covid-19 is 1% to 3.5%. It's been suggested that unless contained, 25-50% of the population of the US will contract this virus. If you remove children under 18 from consideration, you are looking at 253 million people, if 1/4 became infected that is 63 million people, if mortality was on the low end of the estimate then we are looking at 630,000 deaths. If the mortality rate was 2% then we can expect 1,260,000 deaths.

[JGC97]

This lady is my new best friend


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYQXMODNdf0

[looker009]

Originally Posted by HereOnMars

This lady is my new best friend


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYQXMODNdf0

Lmao thanks for posting this, I needed this laugh

[pacific2]

Hopefully, this will offer some relief for CA residents who may be fearful of losing their homes, including apartments, during the COVID-19 crisis:

Coronavirus eviction bans under review in 14 Calif. cities and counties
A proposed statewide moratorium may be stalled as Legislature prepares to recess due to novel COVID-19 outbreak.
https://www.ocregister.com/2020/03/1...-and-counties/

Gov. Gavin Newsom issued an executive order Monday night authorizing local governments to ban evictions of renters and homeowners unable to pay their rent or mortgages because they are out of work or their business is down.

“People shouldn’t lose or be forced out of their home because of the spread of COVID-19,” Newsom said in a statement. “Over the next few weeks, everyone will have to make sacrifices, but a place to live shouldn’t be one of them. I strongly encourage cities and counties (to) take up this authority to protect Californians.”

The order also pushes banks and other lenders to hold off foreclosing on residential and commercial properties, a practice that would provide relief to landlords unable to pay their mortgages due to poor rent collections.

The order will be in effect through the end of May and could be extended. It doesn’t mean renters won’t have to pay rent, but it could mean delayed payments for some.

[pacific2]

Information from China on how the coronavirus affects children is emerging, but is still somewhat speculative since their testing of children has been limited.

Still, researchers think that as more accurate data is acquired, it may become easier to, for example, make better informed decisions regarding hospital preparedness and school closures.

Children and Coronavirus: Research Finds Some Become Seriously Ill
A study of more than 2,000 children with the virus in China found that babies were especially vulnerable to developing severe infection.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/h...gtype=Homepage

The coronavirus raging around the globe has tended to tread gently with children, who account for the smallest percentage of the tens of thousands of infections identified so far.

Now, the largest study to date of children and the virus has found that while most develop mild or moderate symptoms, a small percentage — especially babies and preschoolers — can become seriously ill...

“The main conclusion,” Dr. Murthy continued, “is that children are infected at rates that may be comparable to adults, with severity that’s much less, but that even within the kids, there’s a spectrum of illness and there’s a handful that require more aggressive therapy.”

[pacific2]

You have to wonder how accurately findings from the Chinese data can be generalized since there are so many variables involved, including sample size.

For example, although infection rates among children in China are said to be comparable to those of adults, that is not the case here in OC where, as of 03/17/20, there are no known COVID-19 cases in children.

Also, FWIW, out of 29 known cases, 14 are in the 18-49 age group and 15 are from age 50-65+. For whatever reason, males account for 19 of the 29 cases.

Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19)
Orange County, California - Novel Coronavirus

Also, fortunately, there have been no COVID-19 deaths in OC, not even in the 65+ age group.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by alliance

This isn’t the same thing as the damn flu. Seriously, you work in medicine? Are you sure?

Of course it is not the same thing as the flu, but treating it with common sense like we should treat the flu is the only way we can ever meet a happy or fair medium. We stay home for, who know how long and ruin the economy which will ruin many lives or we can use common sense. I am in the danger group due to my age. Are we afraid of getting the virus by leaving the house? Not really. I am having 8 ladies over this afternoon for bridge like we do every few weeks. We are all 60 plus and not one is hesitant to leave their homes. We have doctors appointments on Fri will we go? WE intend on talking to our doctor this morning to see how she feels about this, but regardless we will be doing some shopping. As I going to hang out in crowds? Other than going to church? no. I am taking the advise of our granddaughter who is in the medical field, be careful and use you common sense but don't panic.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by HereOnMars

This lady is my new best friend

That was great, Mars!

[SandyCo]

For those of you concerned about the economy in regards to this virus, here is another lesson in basic math:

U.S. population in 2018 - 327,000,000

It's projected that 40-60% will become infected. Let's use 40%, because we're optimists.
40% of 327,000,000 = 130,800,000.

Of those 130,800,000 infected, 20% will need some kind of medical intervention.
20% of 130,800,000 = 26,160,000 people.

Now of course, not everyone will get sick at once, so let's divide 26,160,000 over 18 months. That's still 1,453,333 people needing oxygen or a ventilator, and please don't forget that recovery for the severely ill takes three to six weeks!

Does anyone want to guess how many ventilators the U.S. currently has? Maybe 10,000. Can we get more? We don't know; it seems that every other country is dealing with the exact same issues.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...gh-ventilators

If we don't practice social distancing and flatten the curve now, we're looking at an incredible number of people dying in the next six months. Yes, most of them will be over 70 - but not all of them. And what happens when the COVID-19 patients are using up all of the hospital beds, and your appendix suddenly ruptures? Or you have a heart attack?

If you're looking at these numbers and you think that flattening the curve with voluntary social distancing won't be enough, you're right. That's why suppression (concerts cancelled, etc.) is coming into play now. Stopping this virus from spreading so quickly is our only hope. We're buying time until a vaccine can be developed.

[Mike930]

Originally Posted by SandyCo

For those of you concerned about the economy in regards to this virus, here is another lesson in basic math:

U.S. population in 2018 - 327,000,000

It's projected that 40-60% will become infected. Let's use 40%, because we're optimists.
40% of 327,000,000 = 130,800,000.

Of those 130,800,000 infected, 20% will need some kind of medical intervention.
20% of 130,800,000 = 26,160,000 people.

Now of course, not everyone will get sick at once, so let's divide 26,160,000 over 18 months. That's still 1,453,333 people needing oxygen or a ventilator, and please don't forget that recovery for the severely ill takes three to six weeks!

Does anyone want to guess how many ventilators the U.S. currently has? Maybe 10,000. Can we get more? We don't know; it seems that every other country is dealing with the exact same issues.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...gh-ventilators

If we don't practice social distancing and flatten the curve now, we're looking at an incredible number of people dying in the next six months. Yes, most of them will be over 70 - but not all of them. And what happens when the COVID-19 patients are using up all of the hospital beds, and your appendix suddenly ruptures? Or you have a heart attack?

If you're looking at these numbers and you think that flattening the curve with voluntary social distancing won't be enough, you're right. That's why suppression (concerts cancelled, etc.) is coming into play now. Stopping this virus from spreading so quickly is our only hope. We're buying time until a vaccine can be developed.

Easy. I’ve given instructions to my appendix not to rupture and my heart not to attack me.