Coronavirus (Richmond, Nice, Columbia: mortgage approval, bills, roads)

[Mike930]

Originally Posted by landlock

There were 15 sharks in that spot. Don't you understand how letal this is, potentially?
Even sharks are too deadly for wannabe totalitarian control freak losers and they'd ban surfing and hiking in no time on the grounds it's dangerous - if the public wasn't on their tail and ready to sue, as needed.

This is what happens when you drink heavily before posting.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Mike930

This is what happens when you drink heavily before posting.

Mike ...

[Mike930]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Mike ...

Tell me I’m wrong.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Mike930

Tell me I’m wrong.

Can’t ... laughing too hard ...

... anyway, wouldn’t be honest

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by TR95

This is what Sweden has done all along. Now, that it's time to reopen, even the highly-regarded WHO (lol) has come out and said the Sweden model is a good example to follow when re-opening. Sweden has 319 deaths/M, which would place it at 9th if it were a US State. Sweden's daily deaths spike up and down significantly and peaked (for now) on 4/21 with 185 daily deaths to 45 on 5/9.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

A good model to follow?

• FT evaluated the Sweden model and states that their economic recovery will take just as along as other Countries who used a more traditional approach to mitigating the virus, it's projected that their GDP Will contract by 7-10%.https://www.ft.com/content/93105160-...8-a7b262cd4b6e
• Sweden currently has 26,670 cases and 3,256 Deaths, that is 15 times more deaths than Norway. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/sweden/
• Anders Tegnell who dreamed this up seems to be starting to have doubts about the wisdom of it:
• He says "Sweden also appears to have far more immunity in its population (25% vs. 1–2% in Norway, according to initial tests), and will therefore be well positioned for a potential second wave. Between the lines: Tegnell anticipates that immunity will last for at least three to six months, though there's insufficient data to know for sure. He contended in a Q&A with the International Center for Journalists on Friday that decisions to lock down across Europe weren't based on any established science. “The costs are enormous,” he argues, and the benefits still unclear." https://www.axios.com/sweden-coronav...f035810ee.html

Originally Posted by TR95

Here's from the GA govt website. GA reopened on April 24th. Daily deaths were 36 on 4/24 and have been on a downward trend since April 29th. Will it hold and are there other deaths not reported yet, based on their "14-day window"?
https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report

This is probably not what they were hoping for when they reopened:

May 11: "6,000 Georgians have been hospitalized with the coronavirus and diagnoses continue to rise.
The Georgia Department of Public Health reported 952 new cases and three additional deaths Sunday, bringing the state’s count up to 33,540 cases and 1,405 deaths. Of the 6,001 patients hospitalized, 1,412 have been admitted into an intensive care unit. Three new cases were reported in Richmond County to now 447 since the pandemic began, four cases in Columbia County to total 183 and four cases in Burke County to bring its total to 107. McDuffie County added one case to now 51 while Warren County dropped one case for the second day in a row to now 15 positive cases. No additional deaths were reported for area counties and the toll remains at 31." https://www.augustachronicle.com/new...covid-19-cases

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

A friend’s father was stricken with CV19 almost 2 months back. Hospitalized. They thought he would die, but he recovered. His suffering during ordeal and his recovered condition have left him bedridden still ... and he says - quite seriously - they should have let him die ... he is still so sick and miserable and clearly permanently damaged in a variety of ways.

He is 75 and was quite healthy and active till this hit.

He's lucky it could have been "letal"

[landlock]

They named TRACE Act HR 6666 (covid spying/tracing act)... I mean they're openly mocking the sheep at this point.
(666 is the "number of the beast" near the end of the world, according to religious texts)

It's not just going to be people knocking on doors, calling harassing someone with questions and COVID-tracing phone apps voluntarily installed.
They're going to force-push this as smartphone OS feature onto everyone's phones, looks like very soon.
Most users, I bet, will not know that this was bundled into next "security update" and wouldn't be aware that the feature is on and they're being tracked.
https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/10/2...cking-data-app

Apple and Google will introduce a pair of iOS and Android APIs in mid-May and make sure these health authorities’ apps can implement them. During this phase, users will still have to download an app to participate in contact-tracing, which could limit adoption. But in the months after the API is complete, the companies will work on building tracing functionality into the underlying operating system, as an option immediately available to everyone with an iOS or Android phone.

They say this feature will require voluntarily opt-in in the phone, but I don't believe it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/appl...enshots-2020-5

The technology relies on Bluetooth to keep tabs on which smartphones have been physically near each other. It doesn't collect any GPS location data.
Notifications would also include official information and next steps provided by government health authorities
People will also be able to report that they have COVID-19 — which government health agencies would verify — so that people they came into contact with can be alerted.
The new software will be rolled out to most smartphones later this month.

In addition there're also apps that the user must agree to install.... but these apps clearly allow to track anyone else who comes around that user, especially if that phone owner is infected.
https://www.govtech.com/health/Some-...With-That.html

When Rhode Island Gov. Gina Raimondo, a Democrat, suggested recently that the state might use residents’ cellphone data to trace the spread of the coronavirus, opponents on both the left and right were aghast.

In Colorado, Gov. Jared Polis, a Democrat, issued a stay-at-home order on March 25 and set up a voluntary system to track people with symptoms of the COVID-19 virus. People who are feeling sick can fill out an online form and provide cellphone information that allows the state to record their GPS data. Health officials can follow up with them.

Earlier, the state had used metadata gathered anonymously from phones to pinpoint areas where people were heeding stay-at-home orders.

And North Dakota rolled out a new app, Care19, that allows phone users to record their own movements. Other states are expected to follow.

Kansas is among several states using cellphone data to see where people are obeying stay-at-home orders — and where they are not. The Kansas Department of Health and Environment is using a dashboard from Unacast, a location data and analytics firm, that compiles phone GPS data.

Of course, even when app is used by voluntarily user, it will report anyone whose bluetooth had pinged near the phone or other phones sent GPS pings (and they' also will just use phone triangulation data), to the government.

Utah earlier was issuing forced text message alerts to travelers phones to "fill out online form" about where they're going be staying.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/contact-...-united-states

North Dakota
Once an individual downloads Care19, he or she is assigned a random ID number and the app anonymously caches the individual’s locations. The app only stores the location of any place a person visits for 10 minutes or more. If an individual tests positive for the coronavirus, Department of Health staff in both states have been instructed to ask an individual using the app if they will consent to provide their location history to the state. (It’s not clear whether the North Dakota and South Dakota iterations of Care19 share data between one another.) Around 29,600 people—approximately 1.5 percent of the combined population of both states—have downloaded the app. And as of April 27, only 17,031 people are actively using it.

The app currently relies on WiFi location data, triangulation using cell tower data, and GPS location data. Public health officials reportedly use the GPS data to determine locations where users may have spread the virus and attempt to determine whom they may have interacted with.

Utah's version of app will have access to covid-infected list of phone contacts....

Massachusetts has already hired 1,000 tracers, and California plans to build a corps of 10,000 people to follow the trail of coronavirus exposure.

- with a possibility of forceful removal from housing and relocation, apparently, according to Ventura county official.

Important to block any phone updates now....but most phone OS can force the update, eventually, after a few days of refusing it - one'd need t to completely power off the cellphone when being in public or near someone - the Android/Apple tracking would be using bluetooth and many phone OS will automatically turn on bluetooth, even after user disabled it. And since some apps will use GPS and cell triangulation tracking, best to power down the phone and if possible even leave it behind in a car.

[wac_432]

Originally Posted by landlock

They named TRACE Act HR 6666 (covid spying/tracing act)... I mean they're openly mocking the sheep at this point.
(666 is the "number of the beast" near the end of the world, according to religious texts)

It's not just going to be people knocking on doors, calling harassing someone with questions and COVID-tracing phone apps voluntarily installed.
They're going to force-push this as smartphone OS feature onto everyone's phones, looks like very soon.
Most users, I bet, will not know that this was bundled into next "security update" and wouldn't be aware that the feature is on and they're being tracked.
https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/10/2...cking-data-app


They say this feature will require voluntarily opt-in in the phone, but I don't believe it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/appl...enshots-2020-5


In addition there're also apps that the user must agree to install.... but these apps clearly allow to track anyone else who comes around that user, especially if that phone owner is infected.
https://www.govtech.com/health/Some-...With-That.html


Of course, even when app is used by voluntarily user, it will report anyone whose bluetooth had pinged near the phone or other phones sent GPS pings (and they' also will just use phone triangulation data), to the government.

Utah earlier was issuing forced text message alerts to travelers phones to "fill out online form" about where they're going be staying.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/contact-...-united-states


Utah's version of app will have access to covid-infected list of phone contacts....

- with a possibility of forceful removal from housing and relocation, apparently, according to Ventura county official.

Important to block any phone updates now....but most phone OS can force the update, eventually, after a few days of refusing it - one'd need t to completely power off the cellphone when being in public or near someone - the tracking would be using bluetooth and many phone OS will automatically turn on bluetooth, even after user disabled it. And since some will use GPS and cell triangulation tracking, best to power down the phone and if possible even leave it behind in a car.

I find it amusing that you think you're not being tracked through your cellphone right this minute.

[Tulemutt]

I wonder if the mods believe me yet.

[landlock]

Originally Posted by wac_432

I find it amusing that you think you're not being tracked through your cellphone right this minute.

I find it amusing that you think it's being used for covid-19 contract tracing. It's not. Anyway, I don't take my phone out of the car, so there's nothing to trace, don't make assumptions since you don't know.

Bad news, sheep been tracked all the way (anyway I got 3G simple extra phone)....but now it'll be legally used without court order and with potential to haul one out of the house.