Coronavirus (Fortuna: 2013, nursing, sunshine)

[AFtrEFkt]

Ignore the previous tweet. This isn't about "red states" and "blue states."

[landlock]

Warm moist reservoir in asymptomatic carriers?
What a bunch of crock.
Coronavirus survives minimal time on paper and paper-like surface such as N95 mask, by some indications "minutes" and it doesn't live long on fabrics either.

The fake "surgeon" sure would be required to wear a mask in medical setting....
because masks filter viruses in and out. Even though the particle size might be smaller than individual pores - masks are made of multiple layers that prevent air movement allowing virus to go all the way through to the nose or mouth and it ends up getting trapped in the fibers and dying quickly.
Is this "surgeon's" name Trump?

[landlock]

Something is seriously wrong with the economy and the way of life that allows a virus with pretty small death rate or short shutdown to badly damage it.

They better be opening all outdoor recreation developed sites soon.

Alpine county had forced National Forest Service to ban all camping (undeveloped, dispersed, etc) in entire county a week ago. (when it's been time to reopen even developed sites already)
I'll make sure this hole won't ever get a dime from me.
It's rich people's playground, though, in terms of who owns homes there and they think they can shut down entire county so that peasants don't come in there to recreate, while it's all public Forest Service land in most of the county. They don't care about getting business from anyone as they're wealthy enough to just own their 1st, 2nd and 10th homes there and shut down all public land in it as if they own it.
May be they'll be hit by major wildfire soon...shouldn't expect people cry over them, then.

[landlock]

Here's more of rich people shutting down access of peasants to nature (want to close popular trails)

The heck, they expect people to respect their rules (even after covid-19)? And they don't have to play by any rules? It won't be working like that. Seems like these started to think they're full-on feudals and just own all public land.

"Overcrowding, illegal parking could force closure of public land"
https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2020/...re/5170747002/

If you choose to trade social distancing in your home for social distancing in the great outdoors, it might be best to explore some lesser-known recreation areas.

Humboldt Toiyabe National Forest officials say overcrowding at some of the region's most popular trailheads during the COVID-19 pandemic could force them to close or restrict the forest to public access.

“We don’t want to be put in a situation where we have to close off public land,” said Matt Zumstein, the ranger in charge of the Carson District. “Right now we’re trying to keep our disbursed areas open for people to enjoy and utilize, as long as they do so responsibly and adhere to the governor’s orders.”

Some of the issues include people defying social distancing orders, illegal parking and littering.

Well-known and more urban trailheads like Whites and Thomas Creek in the Galena area, Hunter Creek in northwest Reno and Kings Canyon in Carson City have seen large increases in visitors.

This creates problems for the Forest Service, particularly in emergency situations like fires and search and rescue operations where large vehicles need to access tight areas. Zumstein said they’ve already had instances where illegally parked vehicles were blocking emergency access points or even private driveways.

Don Harris, a captain with Humboldt-Toiyabe law enforcement, said they’re seeing upwards of 100 vehicles per day at the Thomas and Whites Creek trailhead alone.

Crowds like that make it difficult to socially distance, Harris said — particularly in the parking lots.

“By congregating in those areas it creates a bigger chance for COVID-19 or any other cold, virus or potential infection to spread,” he added.

The crowds also strain local emergency resources and place personnel in risky situations.

In Alpine County, California, local officials requested Humboldt-Toiyabe close its campgrounds for overnight stays because they have limited law enforcement and rescue resources. (This is incorrect actually - they requested and shut down all kinds of camping even not involving developed sites)

Similar restrictions haven't happened elsewhere in the forest, but they could if incidents continue, Zumstein said.

Forest service law enforcement officers are currently ticketing illegally parked vehicles and they’re verbally warning groups that aren’t socially distancing. Harris said his officers have the authority to ticket those who defy social distancing orders — a fine of up to $5,000 or up to six months in jail — though nobody has been cited yet.

Despite a fire ban on all Humboldt-Toiyabe land, campfires have also been an issue. The forest service issued a fire ban in late April in an attempt to stave off potential fire starts during the pandemic.

For firefighters and first responders who’d have to respond to a wildland fire, it’s virtually impossible for them to social distance.

Recreating outdoors is still allowed and even encouraged — as long as people continue to socially distance and limit group sizes to fewer than 10.

But forest officials are encouraging people considering going outside to consider some of the region's lesser-known areas and trailheads.

Also be mindful that forest facilities are currently closed to the public, including restrooms at trailheads. You should be prepared to pack out any waste or trash you bring in to a recreation site.

Harris said they’ve gotten reports of people relieving themselves behind closed restrooms and piling up garbage next to dumpsters.

“I know people are tired of being at home … but I don’t think we’re through this, it’s going to take some patience and unity across the public to stick to the plan and get through this,” Zumstein said.

This is the same Humboldt-Toyabe National Forest that puts toxic and harmful to lung health air fresheners in their primitive bathrooms in camps...next time I see one of those it'll be in the garbage and they'll be getting a letter from a lawyer.

[AFtrEFkt]

Originally Posted by landlock

Warm moist reservoir in asymptomatic carriers?
What a bunch of crock.
Coronavirus survives minimal time on paper and paper-like surface such as N95 mask, by some indications "minutes" and it doesn't live long on fabrics either.

The fake "surgeon" sure would be required to wear a mask in medical setting....
because masks filter viruses in and out. Even though the particle size might be smaller than individual pores - masks are made of multiple layers that prevent air movement allowing virus to go all the way through to the nose or mouth and it ends up getting trapped in the fibers and dying quickly.
Is this "surgeon's" name Trump?

No, it's not him. You seriously think the handkerchief tied around your face is a surefire barrier? And your name is Doctor...Doolittle?

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by landlock

Nothing extreme will happen... TX has very small number of covid-related deaths per day, 31, while population is 29M and their moving average had stabilized some time ago.
Probably will be the path similar to Sweden, where this number had been declining for over 10 days now -

Swedish officials on Wednesday said the country, which has taken a softer approach to curbing the spread of the new coronavirus, was nearing 3,000 deaths from COVID-19.

The country's Public Health Agency reported that a total of 23,918 cases had been confirmed and 2,941 deaths had been recorded, an increase of 87 deaths from the day before.

https://www.barrons.com/news/sweden-...us-01588775705

[Tulemutt]

Dogs are being trained to sniff out COVID-19 in humans
https://www.livescience.com/dogs-smell-covid-19.html

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by wac_432

Depending on how you define "safe."

Because if we're talking about deaths, any increase in Rt kills more people (if Rt is below 1, if it's above 1, it really doesn't matter). Since our Rt is now below 1.0, we're on an (impossibly slow) pathway to eradicate the virus without infecting more than 4-5% of the population. However, with the extent of the infection, and the fact that we've just barely gotten Rt below 1, means that it would be years, if not decades, of lockdown to eradicate the virus. Every opening increases Rt, increases the total number of people who will eventually be infected, and (slightly) increases total deaths.

Until we get to an Rt > 1. At that point, we're on the "herd immunity" path, with total infections all-but-guaranteed to hit at least 60% of the population. So multiply the number of deaths by a factor of 10. From Rt 1.001 to 1.4 (optimistically) we have a chance at not overwhelming the hospitals, so those who can be saved via medical intervention will be.

Beyond that, at Rt>1.5 we're headed toward a catastrophe where more people die as a wave of infections overwhelm healthcare systems and lifesaving interventions have to be rationed. Deaths increase pretty significantly from the 1.0<Rt<1.4 range.

I have no idea where we'll end up. I'm not optimistic at all. I think a slight reopening is going to turn into a cascade of disregard. Fatality rates for the majority of the population are quite low. The significant lag between infections and hospitalizations and deaths is going to make people feel invincible, and the politicization/polarization of the EVERY ASPECT of the pandemic will paralyze our ability to take reasonable steps to reduce its impact.

I'm not saying opening is the wrong thing to do, I'm just predicting what will be. I don't think our leadership had any choice. Lockdown was never a real option. The initial failure to take the virus seriously has simply left us with no good options.

60% is not going to achieve herd immunity, if you want to make claims like that please provide support for them, this is from John Hopkins School of Public Health:

• Unless we want hundreds of millions of Americans to get infected with SARS-CoV-2 (what it would take to establish herd immunity in this country), life is not likely to be completely “normal” again until a vaccine can be developed and widely distributed.
• Depending how contagious an infection is, usually 70% to 90% of a population needs immunity to achieve herd immunity.
• Other viruses (like the flu) mutate over time, so antibodies from a previous infection provide protection for only a short period of time. For the flu, this is less than a year. If SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, is like other coronaviruses that currently infect humans, we can expect that people who get infected will be immune for months to years, but probably not their entire lives.

I am not sure what you are trying to explain with your post, but the answer seems pretty straightforward, nothing will be normal until we get a vaccine.

[evening sun]

Originally Posted by landlock

Something is seriously wrong with the economy and the way of life that allows a virus with pretty small death rate or short shutdown to badly damage it.

They better be opening all outdoor recreation developed sites soon.

Alpine county had forced National Forest Service to ban all camping (undeveloped, dispersed, etc) in entire county a week ago. (when it's been time to reopen even developed sites already)
I'll make sure this hole won't ever get a dime from me.
It's rich people's playground, though, in terms of who owns homes there and they think they can shut down entire county so that peasants don't come in there to recreate, while it's all public Forest Service land in most of the county. They don't care about getting business from anyone as they're wealthy enough to just own their 1st, 2nd and 10th homes there and shut down all public land in it as if they own it.
May be they'll be hit by major wildfire soon...shouldn't expect people cry over them, then.

What a hateful thing to say. Wildfire destroys everything in its path, rich homes, poor homes, wildlife, crops, livestock. You should be ashamed for thinking this, I consider all arsonists attempted murderers, & people who wish for wildfire are not far behind.

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^Rep'd. The guy you're replying to has no filter.