Assembly Bill 746 - Proposal to Prohibit Smoking in All Multi-Family Residential Units (Sacramento: crimes, credit)

[AnonymouseX]

Originally Posted by Senno

9th largest economy in the world, yet failing in your estimation. We seem to be getting on OK.

And your facts are wrong in any case...

Can you explain why many states are moving to legalize marijuana and gay marriage for starters? Those kinda started off here didn't they? And there's a reason why ideas move from west to east in this country, despite your denial. Lots of new ideas originate here. And other states pick up the ideas and so it goes.

We do enjoy our state, thanks for asking.

And lastly people are also moving here in droves. We don't seem to be losing population, it's growing despite the constant news from afar of how bad it is here. Since it's a free country I'm not really bothered by the movement anywho.

I'm not even going to bother to comb regulations that other states do that we also do and other ideas that started here and went east. The list is endless.

Paying government employees with IOUs is succeeding?

Lol...

[Senno]

Yeah. Cause them government employees got paid. Budget negotiations are a cast iron ***** in this state. Or were until the Demos have taken over. We will see how it goes this year.

That's all you got?

Your arguments get demolished and you show up with your little IOU? LoL.

[AnonymouseX]

Originally Posted by Senno

Smelling smoke is harming you, I've shown that it leaves a genetic market in this very thread, citing available science with NewtoCA (the OP) requested.

You do have a right to be from smoke smell in your own home.

You will smoke outdoors and away from me. Please check the regs here in CA on smoking in bars, and other public places. You have no idea what you are talking about.

You are about 10 days late and oh so many dollars short in this thread. My little post on the harm, etc.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/28509073-post135.html

Smelling smoke outside is as cancer causing as smelling a fart is E. Coli causing.

You need to be in an area that supports a specific ratio of smoke to air as is true for all smoke and every other airborne chemical.

And your link ain't working...

And liken in said earlier in the thread, I smoked all over Cali not to long ago. Nary a cop in sight. Why? Because there are important things to worry about. Smoking isn't one of them.

[AnonymouseX]

Originally Posted by Senno

Yeah. Cause them government employees got paid. Budget negotiations are a cast iron ***** in this state. Or were until the Demos have taken over. We will see how it goes this year.

That's all you got?

Your arguments get demolished and you show up with your little IOU? LoL.

That's all I need.

Every news source, left and right, acknowledges your state is failing. Economically, constitutionally, hell even your police are failing...

Denial is not a river in Egypt...

But you drink your kool aid. It is your right..

[Senno]

Originally Posted by AnonymouseX

Smelling smoke outside is as cancer causing as smelling a fart is E. Coli causing.

You need to be in an area that supports a specific ratio of smoke to air as is true for all smoke and every other airborne chemical.

And your link ain't working...

And liken in said earlier in the thread, I smoked all over Cali not to long ago. Nary a cop in sight. Why? Because there are important things to worry about. Smoking isn't one of them.

The link works. It's post 135 anyway.

We're arguing about smoking inside in this thread. So glad you agree you will smoke outside...

Here, I will quote myself just for you:

Originally Posted by Senno

Well, I was still curious so I looked this up.

Assessment of Exposure to Secondhand Smoke - The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke - NCBI Bookshelf

It discusses common hvac, which seemed obvious to me as a point of possible exposure in apartment buildings. I'm not a doctor or scientist, but this data concerns me:

Assessment of Exposure to Secondhand Smoke - The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke - NCBI Bookshelf

If a person is left with a biomarker, that may be enough to establish the proximate cause of a disease caused by exposure to second hand smoke, whether in full or in part due to a particular exposure. That's ignoring the regular olfactory unpleasantness of exposure to smoke. Better for smokers just to smoke outside probably.

I also wondered about potential construction defects as normally I wouldn't expect smoke from a smoker to seep through a floor or wall built to code. Can't find any data on that, but this comment pops up, while discussing potential civil remedies.:



http://www.tcsg.org/sfelp/apt_condofact.htm

CA case law from the same article:


All taken together this is enough to convince me that a reasonable person should take a reasonable standard of care and smoke outside away from other individuals in an apartment rental setting. If only to prevent yourself from being sued, which we all know can happen.

[Senno]

Originally Posted by AnonymouseX

That's all I need.

Every news source, left and right, acknowledges your state is failing. Economically, constitutionally, hell even your police are failing...

Denial is not a river in Egypt...

But you drink your kool aid. It is your right..

LoL. Keep rowing upstream sunshine.

We're doing ok. BTW if we go under, think you will survive? You will be up **** creek without your paddle as well.

You haven't even presented a valid argument. Your "failing" argument is happily countered by the fact that we're here and alive and well.

[AnonymouseX]

Originally Posted by Senno

The link works. It's post 135 anyway.

We're arguing about smoking inside in this thread. So glad you agree you will smoke outside...

I know the argument. I don't smoke inside at all.

I don't know that many smokers that do actually.

It is irrelevant though. It is beyond then scope of a state. Private property is private property.

If all that many people actually want smoke free living then the apartments will do so.

How many apartments and condos actually allow smoking inside anymore anyways?

[AnonymouseX]

Originally Posted by Senno

LoL. Keep rowing upstream sunshine.

We're doing ok. BTW if we go under, think you will survive? You will be up **** creek without your paddle as well.

You haven't even presented a valid argument. Your "failing" argument is happily countered by the fact that we're here and alive and well.

Umm, you think Cali will take everyone down? Lol...

I've presented my arguments early on in the thread and they hardly failed.

But feel free to keep trying...

[Senno]

You are wrong.

Flat wrong.

Sorry...

You don't have the right to harm anyone even if you are on private property, beyond self-defense when in danger of imminent harm. WTF kind of argument is that anyway? Anyone can harm anyone on private property? What a silly idea.

Is you is a strict constitutionalist?

[Senno]

Originally Posted by AnonymouseX

Umm, you think Cali will take everyone down? Lol...

I've presented my arguments early on in the thread and they hardly failed.

But feel free to keep trying...

Only if our economy failed. Kinda like a domino effect.

You all might find yourselves might hungry also as we produce 25% of the food in the country.