Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Automotive
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 04-02-2008, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Tokyo
156 posts, read 562,528 times
Reputation: 49

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by yo vanilla View Post
Well... since the entire idea of the Saturn brand was for America to show the world they can make a better small car than the Japanese, and given that they've used Honda engines in the past, and now some European platforms (i.e. Aura, Sky), I'd say it's a pretty flippin big deal myself. Despite being built in Mexico which doesn't help that mission either...
Well, at least the Aura and Sky were engineered by GM of Europe, which is a little different from importing a Daewoo and calling it a Chevy Aveo. But that really isn't a big deal either; once they slap the GM brand on the car, it is their reputation that is on the line, not the original manufacturer's.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 04-03-2008, 03:08 AM
 
Location: Chicago
38,707 posts, read 103,152,881 times
Reputation: 29983
True story: Back in 1991, my mom, who had never owned a foreign car in her life, told my dad to go buy an Infiniti Q45, even though she had never even seen one. He dutifully did so. She swore it was by far the greatest car she'd ever driven and wondered why other car companies she'd been so loyal to in the past weren't trying to build anything like this.

Not long after that, a news story came on about a trade war between the U.S. and Japan. (Remember when we were all fretting about Japan dumping cheap goods in the U.S. instead of China? Ah, those were the days.) My mom said she never understood why anyone would buy a Japanese car. My dad and I just stared at each other, each knowing that the other was thinking, "uhm, how do we tell her?"

My parents have not owned an American car since.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-03-2008, 05:12 AM
 
Location: European Union
281 posts, read 1,379,253 times
Reputation: 201
Quote:
Originally Posted by OhEdo View Post
Well, at least the Aura and Sky were engineered by GM of Europe
To be more precise the Vue, Aura and Astra are rebadged Opel models from Germany, whereas the Opel GT is a rebadged Sky Saturn.

For certain manufacturers/ models it is quite difficult to base the purchase decision on "nationalistic" facts. However it is the very invidual requirement that counts when it comes to a car purchase... and if it is one of the requirements that it has to be a US built car - fine for me (as it should be for everyone). Just consider some extensive research then.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-03-2008, 07:57 AM
 
Location: appleton, wi
1,357 posts, read 5,865,038 times
Reputation: 644
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZipZap View Post
To be more precise the Vue, Aura and Astra are rebadged Opel models from Germany, whereas the Opel GT is a rebadged Sky Saturn.

For certain manufacturers/ models it is quite difficult to base the purchase decision on "nationalistic" facts. However it is the very invidual requirement that counts when it comes to a car purchase... and if it is one of the requirements that it has to be a US built car - fine for me (as it should be for everyone). Just consider some extensive research then.

The original concept for the "sky" was from Vauxhall was it not?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-03-2008, 08:32 AM
 
Location: European Union
281 posts, read 1,379,253 times
Reputation: 201
Quote:
Originally Posted by yo vanilla View Post
The original concept for the "sky" was from Vauxhall was it not?
The Sky has been presented as a concept on the NAIAS with a Vauxhall badge. But with the exception of some Holden and Lotus derivatives, Vauxhall cars are nothing else than modified Opel.

The story I heard was that Opel urged GM to get a successor for its famous GT... they agreed, but in the end the car was engineered and built in the US.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-03-2008, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Chicago
38,707 posts, read 103,152,881 times
Reputation: 29983
Quote:
Originally Posted by yo vanilla View Post
The original concept for the "sky" was from Vauxhall was it not?
You're probably thinking of the Vauxhall VX220. The Sky (the whole Kappa platform really) may have been inspired by it, but it is a completely new and different platform that was developed in the U.S. The VX220 was actually based on the Lotus Elise chassis.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-03-2008, 09:29 AM
 
2,421 posts, read 6,955,360 times
Reputation: 3861
The Opel GT has never been adapted by General Motors Holden in Australia, As Roadsters don't sell well here and it isn't equiped for Right hand drive!






,

Last edited by Kangaroofarmer; 04-03-2008 at 10:12 AM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-03-2008, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Scranton
2,940 posts, read 3,965,690 times
Reputation: 570
Saturn really went down the crapper in quality. When they were all built in the original Saturn plant in Spring Hill, TN, they were a quality car...plus GM didn't have its hands in the day-to-day operation of Saturn. Once GM completely took over and started farming out Saturn production to existing GM plants, that's when Saturn became junk.

And now for a company that was started to be an American-made economy car to compete with the Japanese, now to have some models not even built in America....well its safe to say that Saturn has jumped the shark.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-03-2008, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Chicago
38,707 posts, read 103,152,881 times
Reputation: 29983
I used to sell cars when the first Saturns started showing up on the used car lots en masse. The claim that the original Saturns were "quality cars" before GM fully absorbed the company doesn't match up with my observations. Questionable though GM's quality was from the late 90s through recently, IMO they brought the quality standards of Saturn up considerably. The company made it through its first few years on the basis of marketing alone. If GM hadn't taken over day-to-day operations, I doubt Saturn would still be around today.

BTW, my brother is the general manager of a Saturn dealership. He shares basically the same view.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-03-2008, 10:11 AM
 
72,981 posts, read 62,569,376 times
Reputation: 21878
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deez Nuttz View Post
I see some of you hate american cars and would take anything foreign any day over american.

Is there a specific make/model/year you hate? or do you just hate all american cars regardless of who made it and when?

I can agree some of today's foreign cars hold up better than american, but I believe there was once a time 36 years ago when an american car was built to last and foreign car manufacturers were not built very well at all.
I don't like the 2001 Chevrolet Suburban.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Automotive
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top