People who don't "Pull up to the line" (first vehicle, motorcycles)

[plmokn]

Slightly related question: do you have to stop within a certain distance at a stop sign? We all know you have to stop before the limit line but can you stop three feet back, then proceed past the stop sign? What about ten feet back? 100 feet back? Two miles back? What about when the guy ahead of you stops for the stop sign causing you to stop, OK, you stopped, can you just follow him through the stop sign without stopping again?

[Me007gold]

Originally Posted by plmokn

Slightly related question: do you have to stop within a certain distance at a stop sign? We all know you have to stop before the limit line but can you stop three feet back, then proceed past the stop sign? What about ten feet back? 100 feet back? Two miles back? What about when the guy ahead of you stops for the stop sign causing you to stop, OK, you stopped, can you just follow him through the stop sign without stopping again?

You need to stop at the line on the street, or right at the sign.

[NARFALICIOUS]

I don't pull all the way up to the line because I'm too fast and I need to give them a spot and the hit.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by manderly6

Far less annoying than the car that starts edging over the line and by the time the light changes he is halfway in the road.

And then takes a snooze and doesn't move when the light changes......................................

[plmokn]

Originally Posted by Me007gold

You need to stop at the line on the street, or right at the sign.

What does "at the line" mean? My front tires must stop rolling prior to crossing the limit line? How much prior? One inch? One mile?

[oceangaia]

Originally Posted by plmokn

What does "at the line" mean? My front tires must stop rolling prior to crossing the limit line? How much prior? One inch? One mile?

You're playing semantics and that isn't going to win in court. The law doesn't define it that precisely but recognizes the principle of "reasonable" and will apply it. In Texas, the code says you must stop at the crosswalk line or stop line or point nearest intersection that affords a clear view, in that order. Therefore, if you stop significantly short and you could have stopped closer and had a clear view, you can expect a citation.

You can also expect one if you follow the car in front of you through the intersection and try to argue that you had stopped simultaneously.

[Me007gold]

Originally Posted by plmokn

What does "at the line" mean? My front tires must stop rolling prior to crossing the limit line? How much prior? One inch? One mile?

I would argue any where from 1/4 to 1/2 a car length would be acceptable.

[plmokn]

Originally Posted by oceangaia

The law doesn't define it that precisely

OK, that's all I wanted to know. That is, if this is actually a fact. Is it? Or, are you just guessing or assuming? Maybe it is defined like a reasonable number like one foot or something.

[plmokn]

Originally Posted by Me007gold

I would argue any where from 1/4 to 1/2 a car length would be acceptable.

I know but I wanted to know if there is an actual documented length like one foot or six inches or something. I would think there is; that's why I'm asking.

[dkf747]

I don't know the actual distance, but they have new ultra sensitive red light cameras around here. If even a tiny bit of your bumper crosses the stop line, you're getting photographed.