HEB Grocery & "Bring your own bags" (Austin: construction, closing)

[PittsburghAustin]

Except in Austin you don't get to vote on things like this or if you do, city council just does what it wants anyway. They know what is better for us then we do I guess. It does not matter if you are an R or D one party rule is never good for democracy.

[mimimomx3]

Originally Posted by Nor Cal Wahine

We're not discussing drones monitoring Americans in their private homes here. We're talking about plastic bags.

Plastic bags.

Have you ever heard of the 'slippery slope'? Look at your own (presumably) state of California....people are fleeing in droves because businesses can't do business there because of the stranglehold of government regulations. Remember?

[scm53]

Originally Posted by Trainwreck20

For no better REAL reason than to enforce their own preferences to not destroy the world on everyone else..

Really? Plastic bags are going to destroy the world. Who knew?

[ATX Wahine]

Originally Posted by mimimomx3

Have you ever heard of the 'slippery slope'? Look at your own (presumably) state of California....people are fleeing in droves because businesses can't do business there because of the stranglehold of government regulations. Remember?

I'm an Austinite. The user name is very old and reflects my state of origin only.

Nevertheless, I do not see banning plastic bags as a "stranglehold of government regulations". I accept however that others will disagree with that.

[Trainwreck20]

Really? Plastic bags are going to destroy the world. Who knew?

Nah, I was just trying to match the hysteria and hyperbole that seems to be a requirement in this thread .

[mimimomx3]

Originally Posted by Nor Cal Wahine

I'm an Austinite. The user name is very old and reflects my state of origin only.

Nevertheless, I do not see banning plastic bags as a "stranglehold of government regulations". I accept however that others will disagree with that.

Emphasis on 'state of origin'. Congratulations on moving to Texas. Lots of people in Texas have escaped the over-regulation, and resulting economic stagnation, of California....only to want to replicate it here.

The plastic bag ban, the endless bond packages, the move to mass transit at all costs...it's coming. Texas has always been a small government, low tax state- and that's the reason for its economic success. Of course, oil reserves don't hurt!

[ATX Wahine]

I've actually kept that user name despite living here for five years now in small part because I am amused by the tone of responses I receive here as a result of having that nasty nasty "Nor Cal" in my name. My family roots in Texas stretch back to 1859, by the way. For some xenophobic types here, that actually matters, as petty and sad as that reality is.

Again, we're talking about plastic bags. Plastic bags. In a city where hard liquor still cannot even be sold on a Sunday.

[mimimomx3]

Originally Posted by Nor Cal Wahine

I've actually kept that user name despite living here for five years now in small part because I am amused by the tone of responses I receive here as a result of having that nasty nasty "Nor Cal" in my name. My family roots in Texas stretch back to 1859, by the way. For some xenophobic types here, that actually matters, as petty and sad as that reality is.

Again, we're talking about plastic bags. Plastic bags.

Again, we're talking about the slippery slope of a over-regulating government. I suggest that it starts with things that sound as innocuous as a plastic bag ban.

If you're implying that I'm xenophobic, well, I am- to people run to a place that is a positive economic climate, and want to bring outmoded and unworkable policies with them that caused them to leave in the first place!

I couldn't care less where anyone's ancestors come from- as long as they're willing to work within the same principles that those in the 1800s set in Texas. Hard work, individualism, small government. What a shame some of us have forgotten that.

[ATX Wahine]

Originally Posted by mimimomx3

If you're implying that I'm xenophobic, well, I am- to people run to a place that is a positive economic climate, and want to bring outmoded and unworkable policies with them that caused them to leave in the first place!

It's your city government that made this choice - not me, the person whom you claim "ran to this place" (without knowing a darn thing about what brought me here I might add). I simply agree with them in this particular case, much the way bible-thumpers here agree with the Sunday liquor ban. My opinion has nothing to do with where I am from, and it's just an obfuscating argument for those looking to complain endlessly about things to use it as means for rebuttal.

[TexasHorseLady]

Originally Posted by mimimomx3

Again, we're talking about the slippery slope of a over-regulating government. I suggest that it starts with things that sound as innocuous as a plastic bag ban.

If you're implying that I'm xenophobic, well, I am- to people run to a place that is a positive economic climate, and want to bring outmoded and unworkable policies with them that caused them to leave in the first place!

I couldn't care less where anyone's ancestors come from- as long as they're willing to work within the same principles that those in the 1800s set in Texas. Hard work, individualism, small government. What a shame some of us have forgotten that.

Exactly. That's why I said:

Originally Posted by TexasHorseLady

And thus liberty dies, not with a bang, but with a whimper.

As long as we're willing to legislate our minor preferences so that everyone is forced to make the same decision WE do, we're clearly willing to legislate the big things (as well has having ourselves required by legislation to make the choices that someone else would prefer we make but would rather support using force of law than convincing us of the merit of their preference).

Step by step, we dig our own grave, and don't even acknowledge that we're doing it.