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Old 12-03-2011, 04:38 PM
 
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Customer complaints of faulty brakes have forced Subaru of America to postpone the sales of three of its 2012 models: Impreza, Legacy and the popular Outback.
So far, 3,000 cars have been sold and have been recalled. All dealerships stopped selling the vehicles on Nov. 25, Autoweek reported today.

Bottom Line - Subaru stops sales of three 2012 models (http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/01/9148154-subaru-stops-sales-of-three-2012-models - broken link)

Friends don't let friends drive a Subaru.
Subaru isn't Toyota. Based on how quickly they reacted and made fixes, I'd let all my friends drive Subarus.
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Old 12-03-2011, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Subaru isn't Toyota. Based on how quickly they reacted and made fixes, I'd let all my friends drive Subarus.
Did they have much of a choice? Faulty brakes are more critical than the other problems mentioned.
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Old 12-04-2011, 12:34 AM
 
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Did they have much of a choice? Faulty brakes are more critical than the other problems mentioned.


Really? How much comfort are those words to the families of people killed by accelerator problems in Toyotas, or rollover problems in Explorers, or fires in Pintos, or ...

Dead is dead, no matter what the cause, and the reality is that while nobody was killed or seriously injured by the master cylinder problem in about one month's production of Subarus, the mfr did react VERY rapidly in the face of information about a defect.

If we go back to 1953, EVERY Buick that was produced with power brakes had a very serious design defect that allowed the power brake booster to suck the brake fluid out of the master cylinder under certain circumstances. GM NEVER acknowledged this problem, and quite a few people died as a result.

By comparison with Subaru's very rapid response, how long did it take for Toyota to react to their accelerator problems, and how many people died during the delay in reacting? Dead is dead, no matter the cause.
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Old 12-04-2011, 02:59 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Friends don't let friends drive a Subaru.
Stunning piece of critical reasoning. Since every single manufacturer has been subject to recall for some reason or another, I presume you don't drive anything and just walk everywhere.
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Old 12-04-2011, 08:09 AM
 
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Stunning piece of critical reasoning. Since every single manufacturer has been subject to recall for some reason or another, I presume you don't drive anything and just walk everywhere.
+1

Besides the fact that every car maker has been subject to recalls, the OP apparently fails to realize that Subaru voluntarily issued this "stop sale" order, rather than waiting for a government-mandated recall.

Most of the highly-publicized auto safety defects of the past few years have been made public only as a result of a recall ordered by NHTSA. However, NHTSA normally takes many months--and sometimes a few years--to issue a recall, after receiving and analyzing a huge number of consumer complaints and accident reports.

This situation never had to get to the point of a recall, simply because the mfr saw fit to act in a responsible manner, rather than waiting for a government agency to force them into a recall situation. Hence, it could be argued that Subaru is more proactive and safety-oriented than many other manufacturers--such as Toyota.

Not only is the OP's reasoning highly flawed, but he apparently does not seem to understand the difference between a voluntary service campaign and a government-mandated recall.
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Old 12-05-2011, 09:25 AM
 
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Did they have much of a choice? Faulty brakes are more critical than the other problems mentioned.
Of course not. But they moved much quicker than Toyota when Toyota had issues and were more proactive. That is the point people are trying to make on this thread.
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