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Old 04-17-2024, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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OK, if that's all you've got. I don't know how the speed if light is measured, but I've never heard of using darkness as a standard. I assumed you had something more to base that claim on beyond your own opinion.
My impression was that in speaking of darkness he was not talking about physical darkness, but what I will call 'emotional darkness'. Only they can see it because they are special .
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Old 04-17-2024, 12:16 PM
 
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Again science does not have the tools or methodology to validate religion. It also has no tools to invalidate religion. That is not the business of science, science is.
Perhaps we define religion differently. If all you are talking about is the mythological stories and "history" as religion, then we are far apart. Religion is not that, it is a way of understanding your own inner essence and its relationship to the world. You, LearnMe, is only a mirage, your existence is the only truth, and there is only One Single Existence. This can be validated by your own experience and logic if you have the proper tools.
You never answered my question. Have you read anything by Rupert Spira? I know you said you read a lot. Try it.
Okay...with the bolded.

So religious posters need to stop saying that there is no problem between science and religion.

YOU GUYS CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.
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Old 04-17-2024, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Science certainly hasn't "killed" religion, but it sure has tended to put the truth about religion into question, and of course science is not the only influence that has provided reason to question the truth or validity of religion.

Not "killed" but certainly not validated religion. In fact more of the opposite. A good deal more...
There are thousands of manmade religions, among them are many which are self-contradictory.

It is a mistake to talk about 'religion' as if there was only one.
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Old 04-17-2024, 12:58 PM
 
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Okay...with the bolded.

So religious posters need to stop saying that there is no problem between science and religion.
Why? Religious scientists have no problem between science and religion. Religious non-scientists have no problem with science. The Religious who see there is Only God have no problem with science because science is IN God.
There are atheists who see problems with science. There are non-atheist and non-relgious who see problems with science.
So what?
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Old 04-17-2024, 01:21 PM
 
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There are thousands of manmade religions, among them are many which are self-contradictory.

It is a mistake to talk about 'religion' as if there was only one.
Or with improper understanding of the purpose of religion. The purpose of religion is to know one’s true nature and essence, and to know what one is not, and understan one’s identity with God which is pure existence, all existence, all the time and across all space.
Granted this is not discussed here in these forum, because it is not easy to grasp without the proper tools.
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Old 04-17-2024, 02:11 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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There are thousands of manmade religions, among them are many which are self-contradictory.

It is a mistake to talk about 'religion' as if there was only one.
What evidence is there that any religion is anything more than the musings and imaginations of human beings, most of whom are long gone and will never come back into existence?

The key word is manmade, and that applies to all religions.
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Old 04-17-2024, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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The key word is manmade, and that applies to all religions.
Science is man-made too. It didn't just pop up out of nowhere on it's own. It's a man-made field of study.

Religion is often overblown, and science sometimes elevates itself to pedestals it isn't worthy of. Neither is immune from error. As long as man is involved, flaws will enter the picture.
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Old 04-17-2024, 02:30 PM
 
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Science is man-made too. It didn't just pop up out of nowhere on it's own. It's a man-made field of study.

Religions is often overblown, and science sometimes elevates itself to pedestals it isn't worthy of. Neither is immune from error. As long as man is involved, flaws will enter the picture.
The difference is that science can be verified to be true and to actually work.

Isaac Newton died centuries ago. But any school child can do simple experiments to verify that his observations and discoveries are true to this day.

How does anybody verify whether a religion is true?
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Old 04-17-2024, 02:34 PM
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Location: Victoria, BC.
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yes. good insights expressed in post above.



72% of the "no religion" believe in God, Higher Power or spiritual force
Pew data for USA, link below




https://www.city-data.com/forum/66593000-post698.html
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion...the%20universe.
In fact, 43% of the group known as the “nones” say they believe in God, even if they largely dislike organized religion.
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Old 04-17-2024, 03:55 PM
 
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The difference is that science can be verified to be true and to actually work.

Isaac Newton died centuries ago. But any school child can do simple experiments to verify that his observations and discoveries are true to this day.

How does anybody verify whether a religion is true?
Have you tried? It is not Religion that is true, it is what at the core of it that is true. At the core of all religions is the guidance to know your self, and its identity with God. Each religion might say it differently, and the same religion might say it differently to different people.
Spirituality is nothing less than the understanding of our true identity and there is nothing in science that can teach you about it. There is nothing in spirituality that rejects knowledge which includes science.
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