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Harry, you only cite Long — not any of the other researchers and studies. Did you even read the article?
As much as you spend time trying to dumb down and ridicule the belief in God or SIGNS that there’s a God with your intellectual superiority — I guess you must then feel profoundly SUPERIOR to the likes of these Nobel Laureates and scientists below who all felt there were SIGNS pointing to a God or an intelligent creator.
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But to you they were pretty stupid and misdirected……
The more I study science, the more I am amazed by the complexity of the universe and the more I believe in the existence of a creator."
—Albert Einstein
God created everything." Sir Isaac Newton.
“I can see how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how he could look up into the heavens and say there is no God.” —ABRAHAM LINCOLN
Johannes Kepler (1571 – 1630), one of the greatest astronomers: "God is great. Great is his power, infinite his wisdom. Praise him, heaven and earth, sun, moon, and stars in your own language. My Lord and my Creator! I would like to proclaim the magnificence of your works to men to the extent that my limited intelligence can understand."
Nicolaus Copernicus (1473 – 1543), astronomer and the first in-depth proponent of heliocentrism: "Who could live in close contact with the most consummate order and divine wisdom and not feel drawn to the loftiest aspirations? Who could not adore the architect of all these things?"
Isaac Newton (1643 – 1727), founder of classical theoretical physics: "What we know is a drop, what we do not know is a vast ocean. The admirable arrangement and harmony of the universe*could only have come from the plan of an omniscient and omnipotent Being."
Carl Linnaeus (1707 – 1778), founder of systematic botany: "I have seen the eternal, infinite, omniscient, omnipotent God pass close by, and I knelt prostrate in adoration."
Alessandro Volta (1745 – 1827), discovered the basic notions of electricity:* "I confess the holy, apostolic, and Roman Catholic faith. I thank God who has given me this faith, in which I have the firm intention to live and die."
Andre-Marie Ampere (1775 – 1836), discovered the fundamental laws of electricity: "How great is God, and our science is just a trifle!"
Augustin Louis Cauchy (1789 – 1857), a distinguished mathematician, founder of complex analysis: "I am a Christian, that is, I believe in the divinity of Christ, like all the great astronomers and all the great mathematicians of the past."
Carl Friedrich*Gauss (1777-1855), dubbed the "Prince of Mathematicians," because his insights contributed to many fields of mathematics and science: "When our last hour sounds, we will have the great and ineffable joy of seeing the one whom we could only glimpse in all our work."
Justus von*Liebig (1803 – 1873), a celebrated chemist: "The greatness and infinite wisdom of the Creator will be recognized only by those who really endeavor to draw their ideas from the great book we call nature."
Robert Mayer (1814 – 1878), natural scientist (Law of the Conservation of Energy): "I am ending my life with a conviction that comes from the depths of my heart: true science and true philosophy can not be anything but a[n introductory study] of the Christian religion."
Angelo Secchi (1803 – 1895), famous astronomer: "From contemplating the heavens to God, there is only a short distance."
Charles*Darwin (1809 – 1882), Theory of Evolution: "I have never denied the existence of God. I think the theory of evolution is fully compatible with faith in God. I think the greatest argument for the existence of God is the impossibility of demonstrating and understanding that the immense universe, sublime above all measure, and man were the result of chance."
Thomas A.*Edison (1847 – 1931), the prolific inventor who held 1200 patents: "My utmost respect and admiration to all the engineers, especially the greatest of them all: God."
Carl Ludwig Schleich (1859 – 1922), famous surgeon, pioneer of *local anesthesia: "I became a believer in my own way through the microscope and observation of nature, and I want to contribute, insofar as I can, to the full harmony between science and religion."
Guglielmo*Marconi (1874 – 1937), inventor of wireless telegraphy, Nobel Prize 1909: "I declare it proudly: I am a believer. I believe in the power of prayer, and I believe not only as a Catholic, but also as a scientist."
Robert Millikan (1868 – 1953), great American physicist, Nobel Prize 1923: "I can assert most definitely that the denial of faith lacks any scientific basis. In my view, there will never be a true contradiction between faith and science."
Arthur Eddingtong (1882 – 1946), English Astronomer Royal, mathematician and astrophysicist: "None of the inventors of atheism was a naturalist. All of them were very mediocre philosophers."
Albert Einstein (1879 – 1955), founder of modern physics (Theory of Relativity inter alia) and 1921 Nobel prize: "Everyone who is seriously committed to the cultivation of science becomes convinced that in all the laws of the universe is manifest a spirit vastly superior to man, and to which we with our powers must feel humble."
Max Planck (1858 – 1947), founder of quantum physics, Nobel Prize 1918: "Nothing prevents us, and the momentum of our knowledge requires it… to interrelate the order of the universe and the God of religion. For the believer, God stands at the beginning of their speeches; for the physicist, at the end of them."
Erwin Schrödinger (1887 – 1961), discoverer of wave mechanics, Nobel Prize 1933: "The finest masterpiece is the one made by God, according to the principles of quantum mechanics…"
Howard H. Aiken (1900-1973), computer pioneer: "Modern physics teaches me that nature is not capable of ordering itself. The universe presupposes a huge mass of order. It therefore requires a great "First Cause" that is not subject to the second law of transformation of energy and that is therefore Supernatural."
Wernher von Braun (1912 – 1977), German-American, foremost rocket engineer and space architect: "Above everything is the glory of God, who created the great universe, which man and science discover and research day after day in profound adoration."
Charles Townes (1915), physicist who shared the 1964 Nobel Prize for discovering the principles of the laser: "As a religious man, I feel the presence and intervention of a Creator beyond myself, but who is always nearby… intelligence had something to do with the creation of the laws of the universe."
Allan Sandage (1926-2010) American astronomer, calculated the rate at which the universe expands and its age by observing distant stars: "I was practically an atheist in my childhood. Science was what led me to the conclusion that the world is much more complex than we can explain. I can only explain the mystery of existence to myself by the Supernatural."
……. Do you have a comparable list of celebrated and highly intelligent and accomplished atheists with positive values?
Are these famous atheists your proof and confidence in atheism ———-> Dawkins, Hitchens, Kim Jong il, Pol Pot, Stalin, Lenin, Castro, Nicolás Maduro , Trotsky, Milosevic, Charles Manson, Mao, Karl Marx, etc, etc etc etc etc etc??
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Love it! Can't rep you more!
Pity, it will fall on completely deaf ears, will be waved away and some supreme intelligence argument, like "but phone can recognize the face. Touché!" will be employed.
Yes, great post! I have about small book of such expressions, he he... But wise man knows, when to stop arguing with....
Harry, you only cite Long — not any of the other researchers and studies. Did you even read the article?
As much as you spend time trying to dumb down and ridicule the belief in God or SIGNS that there’s a God with your intellectual superiority — I guess you must then feel profoundly SUPERIOR to the likes of these Nobel Laureates and scientists below who all felt there were SIGNS pointing to a God or an intelligent creator.
[
But to you they were pretty stupid and misdirected……
The more I study science, the more I am amazed by the complexity of the universe and the more I believe in the existence of a creator."
—Albert Einstein
God created everything." Sir Isaac Newton.
“I can see how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how he could look up into the heavens and say there is no God.” —ABRAHAM LINCOLN
Johannes Kepler (1571 – 1630), one of the greatest astronomers: "God is great. Great is his power, infinite his wisdom. Praise him, heaven and earth, sun, moon, and stars in your own language. My Lord and my Creator! I would like to proclaim the magnificence of your works to men to the extent that my limited intelligence can understand."
Nicolaus Copernicus (1473 – 1543), astronomer and the first in-depth proponent of heliocentrism: "Who could live in close contact with the most consummate order and divine wisdom and not feel drawn to the loftiest aspirations? Who could not adore the architect of all these things?"
Isaac Newton (1643 – 1727), founder of classical theoretical physics: "What we know is a drop, what we do not know is a vast ocean. The admirable arrangement and harmony of the universe*could only have come from the plan of an omniscient and omnipotent Being."
Carl Linnaeus (1707 – 1778), founder of systematic botany: "I have seen the eternal, infinite, omniscient, omnipotent God pass close by, and I knelt prostrate in adoration."
Alessandro Volta (1745 – 1827), discovered the basic notions of electricity:* "I confess the holy, apostolic, and Roman Catholic faith. I thank God who has given me this faith, in which I have the firm intention to live and die."
Andre-Marie Ampere (1775 – 1836), discovered the fundamental laws of electricity: "How great is God, and our science is just a trifle!"
Augustin Louis Cauchy (1789 – 1857), a distinguished mathematician, founder of complex analysis: "I am a Christian, that is, I believe in the divinity of Christ, like all the great astronomers and all the great mathematicians of the past."
Carl Friedrich*Gauss (1777-1855), dubbed the "Prince of Mathematicians," because his insights contributed to many fields of mathematics and science: "When our last hour sounds, we will have the great and ineffable joy of seeing the one whom we could only glimpse in all our work."
Justus von*Liebig (1803 – 1873), a celebrated chemist: "The greatness and infinite wisdom of the Creator will be recognized only by those who really endeavor to draw their ideas from the great book we call nature."
Robert Mayer (1814 – 1878), natural scientist (Law of the Conservation of Energy): "I am ending my life with a conviction that comes from the depths of my heart: true science and true philosophy can not be anything but a[n introductory study] of the Christian religion."
Angelo Secchi (1803 – 1895), famous astronomer: "From contemplating the heavens to God, there is only a short distance."
Charles*Darwin (1809 – 1882), Theory of Evolution: "I have never denied the existence of God. I think the theory of evolution is fully compatible with faith in God. I think the greatest argument for the existence of God is the impossibility of demonstrating and understanding that the immense universe, sublime above all measure, and man were the result of chance."
Thomas A.*Edison (1847 – 1931), the prolific inventor who held 1200 patents: "My utmost respect and admiration to all the engineers, especially the greatest of them all: God."
Carl Ludwig Schleich (1859 – 1922), famous surgeon, pioneer of *local anesthesia: "I became a believer in my own way through the microscope and observation of nature, and I want to contribute, insofar as I can, to the full harmony between science and religion."
Guglielmo*Marconi (1874 – 1937), inventor of wireless telegraphy, Nobel Prize 1909: "I declare it proudly: I am a believer. I believe in the power of prayer, and I believe not only as a Catholic, but also as a scientist."
Robert Millikan (1868 – 1953), great American physicist, Nobel Prize 1923: "I can assert most definitely that the denial of faith lacks any scientific basis. In my view, there will never be a true contradiction between faith and science."
Arthur Eddingtong (1882 – 1946), English Astronomer Royal, mathematician and astrophysicist: "None of the inventors of atheism was a naturalist. All of them were very mediocre philosophers."
Albert Einstein (1879 – 1955), founder of modern physics (Theory of Relativity inter alia) and 1921 Nobel prize: "Everyone who is seriously committed to the cultivation of science becomes convinced that in all the laws of the universe is manifest a spirit vastly superior to man, and to which we with our powers must feel humble."
Max Planck (1858 – 1947), founder of quantum physics, Nobel Prize 1918: "Nothing prevents us, and the momentum of our knowledge requires it… to interrelate the order of the universe and the God of religion. For the believer, God stands at the beginning of their speeches; for the physicist, at the end of them."
Erwin Schrödinger (1887 – 1961), discoverer of wave mechanics, Nobel Prize 1933: "The finest masterpiece is the one made by God, according to the principles of quantum mechanics…"
Howard H. Aiken (1900-1973), computer pioneer: "Modern physics teaches me that nature is not capable of ordering itself. The universe presupposes a huge mass of order. It therefore requires a great "First Cause" that is not subject to the second law of transformation of energy and that is therefore Supernatural."
Wernher von Braun (1912 – 1977), German-American, foremost rocket engineer and space architect: "Above everything is the glory of God, who created the great universe, which man and science discover and research day after day in profound adoration."
Charles Townes (1915), physicist who shared the 1964 Nobel Prize for discovering the principles of the laser: "As a religious man, I feel the presence and intervention of a Creator beyond myself, but who is always nearby… intelligence had something to do with the creation of the laws of the universe."
Allan Sandage (1926-2010) American astronomer, calculated the rate at which the universe expands and its age by observing distant stars: "I was practically an atheist in my childhood. Science was what led me to the conclusion that the world is much more complex than we can explain. I can only explain the mystery of existence to myself by the Supernatural."
……. Do you have a comparable list of celebrated and highly intelligent and accomplished atheists with positive values?
Are these famous atheists your proof and confidence in atheism ———-> Dawkins, Hitchens, Kim Jong il, Pol Pot, Stalin, Lenin, Castro, Nicolás Maduro , Trotsky, Milosevic, Charles Manson, Mao, Karl Marx, etc, etc etc etc etc etc??
…
Great post. The modern arrogance of atheism (which I previously had) is the result of "too little" knowledge of the science they revere, IMO.
Great post. The modern arrogance of atheism (which I previously had) is the result of "too little" knowledge of the science they revere, IMO.
Thanks Mystic.
Yes, and that’s why I just see atheism as a “limitation.”
I also had that self-importance, sense of intellectual superiority and arrogance growing up in an atheist family of Stanford professors, so I don’t let them bully and intimidate me.
But thankfully, not all atheists have that sense of superiority— my husband is mature and self-confident enough to respect others’ paths and not feel the childish need to ridicule and bully.
Last edited by mountainrose; 04-09-2024 at 09:49 AM..
Harry, you only cite Long — not any of the other researchers and studies. Did you even read the article?
As much as you spend time trying to dumb down and ridicule the belief in God or SIGNS that there’s a God with your intellectual superiority — I guess you must then feel profoundly SUPERIOR to the likes of these Nobel Laureates and scientists below who all felt there were SIGNS pointing to a God or an intelligent creator.
[
But to you they were pretty stupid and misdirected……
The more I study science, the more I am amazed by the complexity of the universe and the more I believe in the existence of a creator."
—Albert Einstein
God created everything." Sir Isaac Newton.
“I can see how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how he could look up into the heavens and say there is no God.” —ABRAHAM LINCOLN
Johannes Kepler (1571 – 1630), one of the greatest astronomers: "God is great. Great is his power, infinite his wisdom. Praise him, heaven and earth, sun, moon, and stars in your own language. My Lord and my Creator! I would like to proclaim the magnificence of your works to men to the extent that my limited intelligence can understand."
Nicolaus Copernicus (1473 – 1543), astronomer and the first in-depth proponent of heliocentrism: "Who could live in close contact with the most consummate order and divine wisdom and not feel drawn to the loftiest aspirations? Who could not adore the architect of all these things?"
Isaac Newton (1643 – 1727), founder of classical theoretical physics: "What we know is a drop, what we do not know is a vast ocean. The admirable arrangement and harmony of the universe*could only have come from the plan of an omniscient and omnipotent Being."
Carl Linnaeus (1707 – 1778), founder of systematic botany: "I have seen the eternal, infinite, omniscient, omnipotent God pass close by, and I knelt prostrate in adoration."
Alessandro Volta (1745 – 1827), discovered the basic notions of electricity:* "I confess the holy, apostolic, and Roman Catholic faith. I thank God who has given me this faith, in which I have the firm intention to live and die."
Andre-Marie Ampere (1775 – 1836), discovered the fundamental laws of electricity: "How great is God, and our science is just a trifle!"
Augustin Louis Cauchy (1789 – 1857), a distinguished mathematician, founder of complex analysis: "I am a Christian, that is, I believe in the divinity of Christ, like all the great astronomers and all the great mathematicians of the past."
Carl Friedrich*Gauss (1777-1855), dubbed the "Prince of Mathematicians," because his insights contributed to many fields of mathematics and science: "When our last hour sounds, we will have the great and ineffable joy of seeing the one whom we could only glimpse in all our work."
Justus von*Liebig (1803 – 1873), a celebrated chemist: "The greatness and infinite wisdom of the Creator will be recognized only by those who really endeavor to draw their ideas from the great book we call nature."
Robert Mayer (1814 – 1878), natural scientist (Law of the Conservation of Energy): "I am ending my life with a conviction that comes from the depths of my heart: true science and true philosophy can not be anything but a[n introductory study] of the Christian religion."
Angelo Secchi (1803 – 1895), famous astronomer: "From contemplating the heavens to God, there is only a short distance."
Charles*Darwin (1809 – 1882), Theory of Evolution: "I have never denied the existence of God. I think the theory of evolution is fully compatible with faith in God. I think the greatest argument for the existence of God is the impossibility of demonstrating and understanding that the immense universe, sublime above all measure, and man were the result of chance."
Thomas A.*Edison (1847 – 1931), the prolific inventor who held 1200 patents: "My utmost respect and admiration to all the engineers, especially the greatest of them all: God."
Carl Ludwig Schleich (1859 – 1922), famous surgeon, pioneer of *local anesthesia: "I became a believer in my own way through the microscope and observation of nature, and I want to contribute, insofar as I can, to the full harmony between science and religion."
Guglielmo*Marconi (1874 – 1937), inventor of wireless telegraphy, Nobel Prize 1909: "I declare it proudly: I am a believer. I believe in the power of prayer, and I believe not only as a Catholic, but also as a scientist."
Robert Millikan (1868 – 1953), great American physicist, Nobel Prize 1923: "I can assert most definitely that the denial of faith lacks any scientific basis. In my view, there will never be a true contradiction between faith and science."
Arthur Eddingtong (1882 – 1946), English Astronomer Royal, mathematician and astrophysicist: "None of the inventors of atheism was a naturalist. All of them were very mediocre philosophers."
Albert Einstein (1879 – 1955), founder of modern physics (Theory of Relativity inter alia) and 1921 Nobel prize: "Everyone who is seriously committed to the cultivation of science becomes convinced that in all the laws of the universe is manifest a spirit vastly superior to man, and to which we with our powers must feel humble."
Max Planck (1858 – 1947), founder of quantum physics, Nobel Prize 1918: "Nothing prevents us, and the momentum of our knowledge requires it… to interrelate the order of the universe and the God of religion. For the believer, God stands at the beginning of their speeches; for the physicist, at the end of them."
Erwin Schrödinger (1887 – 1961), discoverer of wave mechanics, Nobel Prize 1933: "The finest masterpiece is the one made by God, according to the principles of quantum mechanics…"
Howard H. Aiken (1900-1973), computer pioneer: "Modern physics teaches me that nature is not capable of ordering itself. The universe presupposes a huge mass of order. It therefore requires a great "First Cause" that is not subject to the second law of transformation of energy and that is therefore Supernatural."
Wernher von Braun (1912 – 1977), German-American, foremost rocket engineer and space architect: "Above everything is the glory of God, who created the great universe, which man and science discover and research day after day in profound adoration."
Charles Townes (1915), physicist who shared the 1964 Nobel Prize for discovering the principles of the laser: "As a religious man, I feel the presence and intervention of a Creator beyond myself, but who is always nearby… intelligence had something to do with the creation of the laws of the universe."
Allan Sandage (1926-2010) American astronomer, calculated the rate at which the universe expands and its age by observing distant stars: "I was practically an atheist in my childhood. Science was what led me to the conclusion that the world is much more complex than we can explain. I can only explain the mystery of existence to myself by the Supernatural."
……. Do you have a comparable list of celebrated and highly intelligent and accomplished atheists with positive values?
Are these famous atheists your proof and confidence in atheism ———-> Dawkins, Hitchens, Kim Jong il, Pol Pot, Stalin, Lenin, Castro, Nicolás Maduro , Trotsky, Milosevic, Charles Manson, Mao, Karl Marx, etc, etc etc etc etc etc??
…
Admirable effort you put into this post Mountainrose, I have to give you credit.
Actually think you should take all this info and start a new thread with it.
It's a hard one for us atheists to argue, I have to say. We will have fun trying though.
Actually think you should take all this info and start a new thread with it.
Thanks, but I don’t have the time or intellectual stamina to manage a thread like that right now — (kudos to LearnMe) but this thread is about SIGNS and all of those people I found above had experienced some internal SIGN pointing them to an intelligent creator of this universe.
I and others are comfortable calling that creator God….
Off to pick my asparagus and plant more raspberries
I and others are comfortable calling that creator God….
Off to pick my asparagus and plant more raspberries
Yes.
To be honest realizing God's existence is very humbling. All his signs observed in retrospect are amazing.
For instance: I didn't create a lovely painting myself. It was God who inspired me and God again who worked using my brushes/my hands. It keeps the ego low.
So I say "thank you" to God and stay humble. And when I lose the humbleness a little because I'm human, God intervenes with his gentle loving hand to put me in place again. A little suffering here, a little there to increase my compassion and understanding and to help me remain humble. And I say again, "Thank you God for that lesson".
Spiritual life is not easy, it's hard work. And it's not a circus either in a sense that God doesn't come with obvious giant experiences like in the movies with rainbows or lightnings or voices or other 'in your face' performances.
I don't know how God is perceived by others (actually I know for a few close friends of mine) but in my case I feel like he's very shy and unassuming. And he likes to play hide and seek. He's very shy.
Well ... because you don't accept their eyewitness accounts, you would be in a incredibly small minority, not to mention that your opinion doesn't make their accounts untrue.
Do you deny the historical accounts of Jesus/Yeshua in general?
Really...with 68% of the world not being christian, I'm not sure that's very accurate.
I have a friend that is a flat earther.
Regardless of the evidence I present his opinion remains unchanged.
Some folk have such distrust in government or technology that every odd thing given a different view can't be true, believing the government is deceiving them. (so my friend says)
Only some personal experience might change their mind.
People in desperation sometimes finally (usually a life/death event) turn to God as a last-ditch effort and finally receive Jesus into their life and their world changes. Only God knows the truth of a man's heart/mind, if he is real or fake in his pursuit.
My flat earther friend says he believes in Jesus, but I suspect that he has never developed a relationship yet due to his easily being swayed in conflicting directions.
A commitment to God is required, most are afraid of, not knowing or trusting that God will see them through, or that world acceptance will be lost, or worse, God might ask them to do something they are afraid of.
These are reasonable expectations seeing the things prophets and Jesus disciples went through. Never the less, Jesus provided for those that seek His Lordship the Holy Spirit to guide them in God's will.
I don't expect God to support my blunders or misgivings or human nature. He knows what I'm made of, my strengths and weaknesses. He however blesses me more than I deserve, particularly when I've been obedient.
Something to note of those that had put off God till later in life is the regret for having put off God for so long and the potential lost in living with out Him.
What if I received a sign but I don't know what it means? This question is for believers. Ever happened to any of you? I hope my sign will be explained eventually.
What if I received a sign but I don't know what it means? This question is for believers. Ever happened to any of you? I hope my sign will be explained eventually.
Thanks.
i carry that into our ongoing dialogue and prayer. asking along the lines of "please show me more on this" "please help me understand my role in this" "please help me understand the significance of this." for many years and decades i also used the phrase "and make it so clear i can't possibly miss it." I have absolute trust in the divine. but there have been times when i did not always trust myself to understand what i was being shown, or to have clarity. i also will do random searches and just browse for general information. not that i accept or expect anyone else's interpretation to explain mine, but it almost always leads me along a path where i am given more information, even if it is in a roundabout way.
i also have to observe and be aware of any resistance i have. for months and months i was consistently shown something and i brushed it aside. well it did not go away and so i started researching and browsing on it. and still brushed it aside. well eventually i realized that it is not my part to ignore, so I began to be more open to what it was showing me. And it led to one of the most significant areas of growth for me with immense power and potency. so, ensuring i don't get in my own way also.
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