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The absolute separation and distinction in the bold is the REASON there has been no widespread consensus on time or any other meaningful and serious attempt to reconcile science and theology, Tzaph. Whitehead's intuition, the "time dilation conundrum, and my meaningful and serious efforts strongly suggest it is an outmoded and counterproductive attitude that I hope will be reconsidered in the future.
Science is part of the same Oneness, which is all knowledge.
The absolute separation and distinction in the bold is the REASON there has been no widespread consensus on time or any other meaningful and serious attempt to reconcile science and theology, Tzaph. Whitehead's intuition, the "time dilation conundrum, and my meaningful and serious efforts strongly suggest it is an outmoded and counterproductive attitude that I hope will be reconsidered in the future.
for many (if not most) people, they are already complementary. so there is nothing to reconcile.
there is no conundrum.
Namste CB. I do not and did not ever mean to disparage the rishis. They were part of my path through the forest of confusion during the decades after my experience. My favorite philosopher is Alfred North Whitehead and I agree with this quote from Tzaph.
Whitehead's distinction between the "creative advance of nature" and our measured and experienced "time" was central to my Synthesis of science and theology. My extensive efforts took me far beyond Whitehead's knowledge of the advanced stage of science and enabled me to reconcile the misunderstanding of the rishis' ideation. Our measured and experienced "time" exists only because our human consciousness needs to form at the speed of light (as quanta) within Whitehead's "creative advance of nature." If there were no "creative advances," we would not experience our "time" at all. This is why I reject the timeless and static nature of Reality.
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The lag between our seemingly "instantaneous" macro-level human awareness and its formation within the "creative advance" and the "delayed playback" aspect of our awareness results from that necessity. This lag at the speed of light is the reason the speed of light is constant in our macro-level measurements and is the source of the strange "time dilation" in our mathematical modeling. If there were no "creative advances" (as posited by the rishis) we would never experience our measured "time" or any other time. The eternal awareness of Oneness exists in Whitehead's "creative advance of nature," which IS the "eternal Life" of our Creator that we were promised by Jesus, IMO. YMMV.
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Originally Posted by cb2008
Science is part of the same Oneness, which is all knowledge.
I understand that. But that does NOT mean that the rishis accurately discerned all aspects of that knowledge through meditation alone. That is an unreasonable expectation, IMO.
I understand that. But that does NOT mean that the rishis accurately discerned all aspects of that knowledge through meditation alone. That is an unreasonable expectation, IMO.
for many (if not most) people, they are already complementary. so there is nothing to reconcile.
there is no conundrum.
I disagree strongly. That has the appearance of an unreasonable and irrational dismissal as illusory of virtually any and all knowledge we humans are able to discern. Perhaps that is your intent and belief, but it is definitely not mine, Tzaph.
I disagree strongly. That has the appearance of an unreasonable and irrational dismissal as illusory of virtually any and all knowledge we humans are able to discern. Perhaps that is your intent and belief, but it is definitely not mine, Tzaph.
that's not what i said at all. how is saying science and religion are complementary, and there is no conundrum and nothing to reconcile, a dismissal of knowledge? rather, it is making sense of all of it. it is recognizing a cohesive whole.
I am aware that you believe that and have no wish to dispute it with you. But my experience fell far short of giving me all knowledge. I had to work at it quite diligently for decades. My intellect is unable to accommodate irrational and illogical premises that are just asserted as platitudinous truths ascertained through meditation and supposedly supported by what I perceive as flawed reasoning by dismissing what we experience and know about Reality as illusory. Dismissal is NOT reconciliation.
that's not what i said at all. how is saying science and religion are complementary, and there is no conundrum and nothing to reconcile, a dismissal of knowledge? rather, it is making sense of all of it. it is recognizing a cohesive whole.
Such a statement requires ignoring glaring incoherence, obvious contradictions, and seemingly irreconcilable conflicts by simply asserting there are none (I assume because the rishis said so).
this question comes to mind (for mystic or anyone)
how do you differentiate spirit, divinity---from intellect?
I don't. In my view, our human intellect is merely an "embryonic growth component" of the ONE AND ONLY LIVING Spirit (Oneness) that is our Reality. Its immaturity is the reason for its confused status and lack of "all knowledge" that is its birthright and ultimate fate. Unending and pointless samsara makes no sense to me whatsoever.
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