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The bold is the most cogent aspect of your post, IMO, Cruithne. It is the typically misunderstood "true focus" of the myriad religions and philosophies throughout the ages. True to human perversity the focus has been on what we DO instead of WHY we do it. The latter is the essential factor, IMO, whether atheist or theist.
That is why the "obedience to God's commands" meme in religions is counterproductive to the actual purpose of the so-called "commands." Obedience to attain reward or avoid punishment does NOT reflect the actual status of our Spirit (consciousness for you atheists, also known as our state of mind ). What we have BECOME spiritually is what ultimately matters, IMO.
I always enjoy your posts Mystic. I agree with the bolded. Don't act in the hope that you will be rewarded later. Do what you can to be a good person is THIS life. Living a good life IS it's own reward.
the bold is the most cogent aspect of your post, imo, cruithne. It is the typically misunderstood "true focus" of the myriad religions and philosophies throughout the ages. True to human perversity the focus has been on what we do instead of why we do it. The latter is the essential factor, imo, whether atheist or theist.
That is why the "obedience to god's commands" meme in religions is counterproductive to the actual purpose of the so-called "commands." obedience to attain reward or avoid punishment does not reflect the actual status of our spirit (consciousness for you atheists, also known as our state of mind ). What we have become spiritually is what ultimately matters, imo.
The bold is the most cogent aspect of your post, IMO, Cruithne. It is the typically misunderstood "true focus" of the myriad religions and philosophies throughout the ages. True to human perversity the focus has been on what we DO instead of WHY we do it. The latter is the essential factor, IMO, whether atheist or theist.
That is why the "obedience to God's commands" meme in religions is counterproductive to the actual purpose of the so-called "commands." Obedience to attain reward or avoid punishment does NOT reflect the actual status of our Spirit (consciousness for you atheists, also known as our state of mind ). What we have BECOME spiritually is what ultimately matters, IMO.
State of mind is not same as Consciousness/spirit/atma. State of mind is just state of mind. Consciousness is what is aware of the state of mind. We, ego, own both our state of mind, intent, and action.
The rest is golden, Mystic.
The bold is the most cogent aspect of your post, IMO, Cruithne. It is the typically misunderstood "true focus" of the myriad religions and philosophies throughout the ages. True to human perversity the focus has been on what we DO instead of WHY we do it. The latter is the essential factor, IMO, whether atheist or theist.
That is why the "obedience to God's commands" meme in religions is counterproductive to the actual purpose of the so-called "commands." Obedience to attain reward or avoid punishment does NOT reflect the actual status of our Spirit (consciousness for you atheists, also known as our state of mind ). What we have BECOME spiritually is what ultimately matters, IMO.
mind is not spirit, neither is "state of mind"
mind, intellect, intelligence, thought, thinking, mood are not spirit.
we don't "become" anything with regards to spirit.
because we already are spirit.
we can't "become" what we already are.
it is recognizing what we already are.
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Someone would have to be nuts if they thought I would talk about my decades of, ''Speaking things into existence'.
As many know here, CD has some of the most doubters around, which is fine...that turn hostile or demeaning...
which is not fine.
Best wishes to all, tho, I think you'll need it! Gee whiz, it can turn nasty fast.
I tried that for decades. I do recall a couple of times that something did happen that seemed nothing short of miraculous. But for the most part, it didn't work.
mind is not spirit, neither is "state of mind"
mind, intellect, intelligence, thought, thinking, mood are not spirit.
we don't "become" anything with regards to spirit.
because we already are spirit.
we can't "become" what we already are.
it is recognizing what we already are.
About this we completely disagree, Tzaph. This is NOT a static unchanging Reality, period. Whatever it is, it has too much going on to be static and unchanging however cleverly and irrationally it is defined according to wishful thinking. The very act of having to learn that we are Oneness requires a change. Pretending that we are simultaneously unchanging Oneness but somehow also separate and cluelessly learning about it is definitionally irrational. What about that seems to escape your and CB's intellect?
About this we completely disagree, Tzaph. This is NOT a static unchanging Reality, period. Whatever it is, it has too much going on to be static and unchanging however cleverly and irrationally it is defined according to wishful thinking. The very act of having to learn that we are Oneness requires a change. Pretending that we are simultaneously unchanging Oneness but somehow also separate and cluelessly learning about it is definitionally irrational. What about that seems to escape your and CB's intellect?
that which is temporary changes.
that which is eternal does not.
the physical body, thoughts, mind, intellect, feelings, emotions, moods, ideas, beliefs, views, all those change. they are temporary.
spirit is eternal. spirit does not change. it just is.
if all a person addresses and concerns themself with is physical reality and the changes inherent in physical existence, then yes everything changes. however spirit is not physical.
About this we completely disagree, Tzaph. This is NOT a static unchanging Reality, period. Whatever it is, it has too much going on to be static and unchanging however cleverly and irrationally it is defined according to wishful thinking. The very act of having to learn that we are Oneness requires a change. Pretending that we are simultaneously unchanging Oneness but somehow also separate and cluelessly learning about it is definitionally irrational. What about that seems to escape your and CB's intellect?
This is not an intellectual exercise, but a spiritual inquiry. So you need to use your other faculties besides intellect. Only then YOUR intellect will get it.
We do not have the same definition of Oneness. The definition of Oneness does not change. Yours seems to change from time to time.
Can we agree on a definition of Oneness?
Brhman/Divinity is eternal, unchanging, transcendental ,existence
The nature of of our Self/Atma/Consciousness/Awareness/Spirit, is the same as Brhman/Divinity
When our ego, individual self that sees itself as the Doer and separate from Brhman due to delusion, recognizes this unchanging eternal nature of our self as same as Brhman/Divinity, it dissolves into Brhman?Divinity and that is all that remains. This is unity of Atma/Spirit with Brhman/Divinity, Oneness, Advaitam (Not Two)
Can you define what your concept of Oneness is without resorting to Science but Ontology?
The reason YOU don't seem to get it is because 1) due to improper understanding of Oneness, 2)your need to prove something to the scientific community. You cannot serve two masters - your own spirituality and anything else.
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). What we have BECOME spiritually is what ultimately matters, IMO.
Gee whiz, it can turn nasty fast.
