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Old 02-03-2022, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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That would be fallacious. Logic is not something that varies according to whether one is religious or not. If you had said "comforting" as opposed to "logical," I would not be responding.
The logic is not varied. Non-religious people do not acknowledge a heavenly Father.
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Old 02-03-2022, 02:54 PM
 
Location: West Virginia
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The logic is not varied. Non-religious people do not acknowledge a heavenly Father.
Logic doesn't depend on whether a person believes in God.
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Old 02-03-2022, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Alabama
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Logic doesn't depend on whether a person believes in God.
Sure it does. If a person denies the existence of God, then they are denying reality which is the most illogical thing one could do.

The claim that God does not exist is the single most illogical claim one could possibly make.
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Old 02-03-2022, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Logic doesn't depend on whether a person believes in God.
I agree, but if a person is religious, it is logical that he/she would reach out to their heavenly Father.
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Old 02-03-2022, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Are you saying Cain was not shown mercy? After Cain was given his punishment, God put a mark on Cain so that others would not take out vengeance on him and kill him. And God said if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over.

Which is why I said that I hear Abel crying out for mercy upon his brother Cain. As that is in context with what followed.
Sure, if you like. Most exegetes see it as a cry for justice, if not vengeance. I think Cain deserved consequences, and one could argue he got them, if not the usual OT tit-for-tat. A form of banishment, essentially. I think if you argue that god decided what was just, then justice was done.

Doesn't matter to me how different believers spin this or any other part of scripture though. In any case I'm not sure how this addresses the OP.
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Old 02-03-2022, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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A great many miracles didn't occur because of unbelief.
Many are in those positions not really wanting healing which might remove their eligibility for free services and extra attention.
Some have grown attached to their condition and don't actually want healing.
Somehow it does not surprise me that someone invested in prayer actually changing things would explain away unanswered prayer as all the prayer's fault somehow. Insufficient belief / faith, on the dole, getting pity.

It's not like malingering never happens, but, come on. You'd be singing a different tune if you had some sort of cancer or chronic health issue that wasn't responding to prayer, I'm sure.
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Old 02-03-2022, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Sure it does. If a person denies the existence of God, then they are denying reality which is the most illogical thing one could do.

The claim that God does not exist is the single most illogical claim one could possibly make.
Wrong.
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Old 02-03-2022, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Sure it does. If a person denies the existence of God, then they are denying reality which is the most illogical thing one could do.

The claim that God does not exist is the single most illogical claim one could possibly make.
I do not claim that God doesn't exist. I simply want someone who claims he exists, to provide the first iota of actual proof in support of that view.
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Old 02-03-2022, 04:26 PM
 
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Logic doesn't depend on whether a person believes in God.
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Sure it does. If a person denies the existence of God, then they are denying reality which is the most illogical thing one could do.

The claim that God does not exist is the single most illogical claim one could possibly make.
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I agree, but if a person is religious, it is logical that he/she would reach out to their heavenly Father.
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Wrong.

That God Exists is a perception that is so prolific it can be considered a "Standard of Human Understanding".
90% that have lived over the last thousand years can perceive God. Very few lack that ability.
It is as logical to say that humans are God perceiving creatures as it is to say they are emotional creatures.
Some aren't...but they would be considered outside of the norm.
It is completely logical to claim God exists.
Claiming God doesn't exist is illogical.
My sympathy is with those few that cannot perceive God...but it is not cool that anyone claims it isn't illogical to deny the existence of God.
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Old 02-03-2022, 05:55 PM
 
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Do you have kids? You've never had your kid try to give you the silent treatment? You've never had to pull out of a teenager what they did during the day at school?
You were talking about teaching kids to talk to you. You don't normally have to do that. Not sure how that morphed into your latest post.
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