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Old 02-02-2022, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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So, I take it you are not into logic.

I didn't ask about relatives or love.

I asked a very specific question.
You asked why Christians pray. I told you, logically.
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Old 02-02-2022, 06:18 PM
 
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Actually there are way more kinds of prayer...I think 7.
As explained in the book, "Prayers Answered Guaranteed!" by Frederick Price. He did excellent, sound research.
Responding to mordant, is all. Don't be mad at me!
I agree. I have studied world religions, and there are several different kinds of prayer.
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Old 02-02-2022, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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You asked why Christians pray. I told you, logically.
Not really. You gave pretty much the standard Sunday school version.

Which is fine, but it's not "logic".
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Old 02-02-2022, 06:19 PM
 
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You asked why Christians pray. I told you, logically.
Please point out the logic.
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Old 02-02-2022, 06:23 PM
 
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OMG, are you kidding me?
Do you have something more to offer than the shock of the explanation based upon your own noted criteria?
You present as a given (based upon The Bible) that God is "All Knowing". It is also a given that we humans are not all knowing.
So...why would you question what God said we must do...since he knows all, and we don't (and can't)?
You already had your answer...based upon the information in the Book that you are assessing literally.
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Old 02-02-2022, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Please point out the logic.
It is logical to talk to your father, both earthly and heavenly.
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Old 02-02-2022, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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That only seems to be half right.
To a religious person, both are logical.
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Old 02-02-2022, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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To a religious person, both are logical.
Okay. Now actually think about that.
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Old 02-02-2022, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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I didn't give you Bible verses. I'm an atheist and former theist. If you want to understand how theists think about prayer, I'm not a bad source.

You and I both know there's no logic to be had, and besides ... logic is way out of fashion at the moment, especially among those who pray.

Personally I don't think about the question of prayer so much in terms of the logic of it, as in terms of the (lack of) results.

A person asking for god to "bless" them can claim to be blessed, according to the fallacy of relative privation if nothing else. A person asking for god to take a fatal cancer diagnosis from their loved one can't paper over the fact of the person's suffering and eventual death. In the exceedingly rare cases of an incorrect diagnosis or spontaneous remission, they can claim victory, but often even among believers, in my experience, no one really thinks a miracle has actually happened. Someone asking for an amputated limb to regrow -- now that is something that to my knowledge has NEVER happened.
No, to my knowledge no one has ever asked for an amputated limb to regrow, which shows us that even a devout believer like my late double amputee father understands that there are some things that there would be no point in praying for. On some level, most people must know that a healing of a fatal illness will not occur, either.
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Old 02-02-2022, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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No, to my knowledge no one has ever asked for an amputated limb to regrow, which shows us that even a devout believer like my late double amputee father understands that there are some things that there would be no point in praying for. On some level, most people must know that a healing of a fatal illness will not occur, either.
I don't know. "most people", yes. But I have known some people firmly believe a miracle will happen right up until they or a relative dies.
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