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Old 10-13-2013, 07:52 PM
 
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That is what religion wants you to believe. That is part and parcel of the control mechanism it uses to keep people in the flock. One has to be convinced that a savior will come to rescue us from ourselves, but only those who joined the club ... thus the need for religion becomes all-encompassing.

It is also dangerous, for this belief can turn people into apathetic non-participants in life. Why bother trying to improve our own world when the Bible and prophecy says we'll fail anyway, right? Might as well just sit here like a slug and wait for the rapture.

You have it all backwards not even close as we participate as believers in leading others to the Lord because we love Him from the heart and put our faith and trust in Him for our salvation we are not controlled but find peace and joy in serving God. Our world is improved by coming to the Lord that worldly things are just a passing fancy and know that Heavenly aspirations are deemed more important.
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Old 10-13-2013, 10:15 PM
 
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You have it all backwards not even close as we participate as believers in leading others to the Lord because we love Him from the heart and put our faith and trust in Him for our salvation we are not controlled but find peace and joy in serving God. Our world is improved by coming to the Lord that worldly things are just a passing fancy and know that Heavenly aspirations are deemed more important.
beautifully said!
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Old 10-14-2013, 06:36 AM
 
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Before determining whether or not we need spiritual leaders, we might ask if we need spiritualism at all. Isn't spiritualism just opinion plus mystic spin? The mystic spin strikes me as a waste of time, a needless distraction, an annoying tax on the energy and brainpower devoted to a task.
Because without it, we are pretty much material animals.

Go on for long enough like that, see how it works. Btw, humans at more enlightened points of their history were actually a psychic race, so yea being a simple animal, no matter how much we use our brain, is kinda... dumb.

One thing we don't need is organized religion (*cough*Christianity*cough*). But we definitely need spiritualism.
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Old 10-14-2013, 07:16 AM
 
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Because without it, we are pretty much material animals.

Go on for long enough like that, see how it works. Btw, humans at more enlightened points of their history were actually a psychic race, so yea being a simple animal, no matter how much we use our brain, is kinda... dumb.
But we definitely need spiritualism.
Nothing in your post explains why. What divides us from the animals is our ability to reason, not our ability to experience emotions.
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Old 10-14-2013, 07:23 AM
 
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Nothing in your post explains why. What divides us from the animals is our ability to reason, not our ability to experience emotions.
Animals can and do reason. I'm confident all life-forms reason, as it is necessary for survival.

What separates man from beast? Mostly (imho), man's ability to feign altruism is the main divide.

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Old 10-14-2013, 07:32 AM
 
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Animals can and do reason. I'm confident all life-forms reason, as it is necessary for survival.

What separates man from beast? Mostly (imho), man's ability to fain altruism is the main divide.
You still have not explained why spiritualism is necessary. A good start would be your providing us with your definition of spiritualism, followed by your speculation on the consequences of it not existing.
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Old 10-14-2013, 01:36 PM
 
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You still have not explained why spiritualism is necessary. A good start would be your providing us with your definition of spiritualism, followed by your speculation on the consequences of it not existing.
No. Why do you feel spiritualism is necessary for every individual?
The Bible speaks about unbelievers so they are nothing new, besides I do not know if everyone is capable of having a spiritual connection due to various reasons: hardening of the pineal etc. but it would seem anyone could have a spiritual experience while experiencing nature.
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Old 10-14-2013, 01:52 PM
 
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No. Why do you feel spiritualism is necessary for every individual?
The Bible speaks about unbelievers so they are nothing new, besides I do not know if everyone is capable of having a spiritual connection due to various reasons: hardening of the pineal etc. but it would seem anyone could have a spiritual experience while experiencing nature.
I do not understand any of your above post, it certainly does not address my questions.

Shall I assume that you are unable to define spirituality and unable to explain why it is necessary? In the absence of direct response to these questions, that will be my assumption.
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Old 10-14-2013, 02:02 PM
 
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Why do you feel it (spiritualism) is necessary?
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Old 10-14-2013, 02:40 PM
 
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Why do you feel it (spiritualism) is necessary?
Are you confused? That is your thesis, not mine.

Forget it, obviously you do not have an answer, if you did we would have seen it by now.
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