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If you're married, great. If you're single, not good. Oklahoma seems like a good place to start a family, but not meet someone to start a family with (but you've already done that) if you arrive single. My experience after 4 months. Not fun for a guy from Atlanta.
One would think that it would take a WHOLE lot of liberals moving from California to even notice them. For the most part I think those types wouldn't be all that interested in coming to Oklahoma. They tend to go to Oregon and places like that where it is more liberal.
Secondly, many of the people who ARE coming to Oklahoma from California are trying to ESCAPE the policies in California and come here full well knowing that Oklahoma is extremely conservative.
That may be true (and I hope it is) as I have not read any studies or articles on the subject but we can look at the once blue state of Colorado as a recent example where this was not the case. Californians and their money have changed Colorado's politics and the cost of living.
Anyhow, I'm a newbie here so I will get back to the original discussion of Ada. We are looking at moving from SoCal to Oklahoma in a few years and the Ada area is one on the places that we are considering along with NE Oklahoma. Is the weather in the Ada region (is it called southern OK?) much different than NE OK? I know that east to west is different, along with geography, but I haven't read much on weather difference between north and south.
Liberals can't possibly do a worse job than conservatives have done to make Oklahoma look backward to the rest of the nation. That you can still can't buy wine in a grocery story is ridiculous.
Too true.
Heck, tattoo parlors were only made legal here 6 or 7 years ago.
There is a lot about Oklahoma I like, and I've spent more of my life here than anywhere, but I've heard people say "Welcome to Oklahoma...set your watch back 30 years" and there is some validity to that sentiment.
Although this ridiculous assertion doesn't really deserve a response I'll address it.
One would think that it would take a WHOLE lot of liberals moving from California to even notice them. For the most part I think those types wouldn't be all that interested in coming to Oklahoma. They tend to go to Oregon and places like that where it is more liberal.
Secondly, many of the people who ARE coming to Oklahoma from California are trying to ESCAPE the policies in California and come here full well knowing that Oklahoma is extremely conservative.
Finally, many of the people who come to Oklahoma from California have family roots in Oklahoma from the dust bowl days and the shipyard migration during WWII. These would mostly be the retirement that are still connected to Oklahoma.
So I would suggest to you that you worry about something more practical than "liberal Californians ruining Oklahoma." Maybe worry about getting hit by an asteroid or something.
I think I would try being a little less naive if I were you. You are among the same people from CO who said that wasn't an issue. Guess what. It was an issue. The same can be said for Oregon, Florida and now the Central Atlantic. Parts of Arizona are now suffering from the influx of CA liberalism. It's happening in Texas as we speak. It's always someone else's fault according to the left. I'm sure the liberals leaving CA would blame the GOP in CA for creating the mess. Even knowing the GOP is nonexistent in California. They move in, set up their their tent, then "enlighten" us with the the same policies that destroyed their home - making sure to vote left in every election. They call it progress. It's their duty to help the backwards Okies get up to code with the rest of the nation. You get enough of them and it's game over.
Then you have this clueless Oklahoman. "Hey y'all. Everyone should move here. We have zero traffic!!!"
I think it's great for someone who will come here and embrace the culture. I welcome anyone who loves Oklahoma the way I do. I resent those who come here trying to change it. I hope it really is people escaping the extreme left out west. I cannot help but be a bit uneasy. Coming back from a trip to AZ, I saw a plethora of CA license plates sporting the hope and change bumper sticker heading east through west Texas.
Liberals can't possibly do a worse job than conservatives have done to make Oklahoma look backward to the rest of the nation. That you can still can't buy wine in a grocery story is ridiculous.
I always get a chuckle out of you people. If you hate conservativsm, you are in the wrong state. All 77 counties in OK are red. Just in case you missed the memo: You live in the Bible Belt South. You may need to head west and fill in one of those empty spots... And yes, they can do a worse job. It's why they are experiencing the exodus.
If you hate conservativsm, you are in the wrong state. All 77 counties in OK are red.
Unfortunately, conservativism is all but dead. Certainly the GOP jettisoned conservative ideals and principles and politicians back before the Disco Era. The last three Republican presidents this nation has had have been among the LEAST conservative leaders we've ever had.
The vast majority of people in this country who self-identify as "conservative" plainly have no concept of what terms like "conservative", "liberal", "socialism". etc. even mean. They just know through indoctrination that they are supposed to hate and fear the evil liberal, progressive menace.
It would be nice if the R party still held to some conservative ideals, but instead what we have is a party who are just as fiscally incompetent and irresponsible as the Democrats, but have become neo-cons who are socially conservative--getting involved in the personal reproductive choices of women, endorsing discrimination by being freaked out and bigoted regarding same sex marriage, trying to push for the teaching of creationist nonsense in public schools as if it were science, etc., etc.
All of these issues, incidentally, are completely antithetical to actual conservative philosophy and the kind of conservativism the GOP embraced in the years between WW2 and Vietnam.
As for conservativism in Oklahoma, it can take quite odious forms. For example, Oklahoma State Representative Sally Kern, who is the wife of a baptist Pastor, is on record as saying gays are worse than terrorists, are like a cancer on our society, and should be "dealt with." She was greeted with a standing ovation shortly after making her remarks in the Oklahoma House of Representatives.
This isn't conservativism; it's batcrap lunacy and religious extremism.
Unfortunately, conservativism is all but dead. Certainly the GOP jettisoned conservative ideals and principles and politicians back before the Disco Era. The last three Republican presidents this nation has had have been among the LEAST conservative leaders we've ever had.
The vast majority of people in this country who self-identify as "conservative" plainly have no concept of what terms like "conservative", "liberal", "socialism". etc. even mean. They just know through indoctrination that they are supposed to hate and fear the evil liberal, progressive menace.
It would be nice if the R party still held to some conservative ideals, but instead what we have is a party who are just as fiscally incompetent and irresponsible as the Democrats, but have become neo-cons who are socially conservative--getting involved in the personal reproductive choices of women, endorsing discrimination by being freaked out and bigoted regarding same sex marriage, trying to push for the teaching of creationist nonsense in public schools as if it were science, etc., etc.
All of these issues, incidentally, are completely antithetical to actual conservative philosophy and the kind of conservativism the GOP embraced in the years between WW2 and Vietnam.
As for conservativism in Oklahoma, it can take quite odious forms. For example, Oklahoma State Representative Sally Kern, who is the wife of a baptist Pastor, is on record as saying gays are worse than terrorists, are like a cancer on our society, and should be "dealt with." She was greeted with a standing ovation shortly after making her remarks in the Oklahoma House of Representatives.
This isn't conservativism; it's batcrap lunacy and religious extremism.
I wasn't talking about the GOP on a national level. I am talking about Oklahoma conservatism. It has been this way ever since I have walked this planet. You live in the Bible Belt. Don't act surprised when Oklahoma doesn't legalize same sex marriages. Selling wine in a separate store has nothing to do with the Southern Baptists...it has to do with the tax structure of the state. Have you ever lived outside the state? If not, I suggest you do that. You will get a better perspective on why native Oklahomans always move back to Oklahoma.
Your definition of neo conservatism is false. Neo Cons are socially liberal. They are close to what libertarians have become. The term neoconservative was used originally by a socialist to criticize the politics of Social Democrats. Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Have you ever lived outside the state. If not, I suggest you do that. You will get a better perspective on why native Oklahomans always move back to Oklahoma.
Yes. I have lived in Texas, Wyoming, Arizona, Illinois (Chicago), Louisiana, Minnesota and just returned from nearly 8 years out of state in Virginia, upstate New York and for the last three years in Portland, Oregon.
I always return to Oklahoma mainly because me and my wife's friends and family are here. But there is a lot I like about Oklahoma aside from personal ties and lower cost of living.
We are probably back here for good now, or at least until retirement (should we ever be able to retire, that is.) We are glad to be back, though we miss a lot about Oregon in particular. Really miss being able to get to the Pacific Coast on a regular basis.
The overall politics and religious attitudes in Oklahoma are generally 180 degrees apart from mine. But then again, I am primarily apolitical and irreligious, so I don't feel overly affected by this.
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Your definition of neo conservatism is false. Neo Cons are socially liberal.
Then why, in nearly all their actions, do they behave as social conservatives?
Yes. I have lived in Texas, Wyoming, Arizona, Illinois (Chicago), Louisiana, Minnesota and just returned from nearly 8 years out of state in Virginia, upstate New York and for the last three years in Portland, Oregon.
I always return to Oklahoma mainly because me and my wife's friends and family are here. But there is a lot I like about Oklahoma aside from personal ties and lower cost of living.
We are probably back here for good now, or at least until retirement (should we ever be able to retire, that is.) We are glad to be back, though we miss a lot about Oregon in particular. Really miss being able to get to the Pacific Coast on a regular basis.
The overall politics and religious attitudes in Oklahoma are generally 180 degrees apart from mine. But then again, I am primarily apolitical and irreligious, so I don't feel overly affected by this.
Then why, in nearly all their actions, do they behave as social conservatives?
Because Oklahoma conservatives are social conservatives - not Neocons. Again, you live in the Bible Belt. People wanting a liberal free-for-all are in the wrong state. We are the reddest state in the land and the buckle on the Bible Belt.
that's good approach to take. I am not a Baptist or even go to Church all that much. I just know where I am. Oregon is nice. Make sure you check out Southeastern OK. You may find yourself a new getaway.
I wasn't talking about the GOP on a national level. I am talking about Oklahoma conservatism. It has been this way ever since I have walked this planet. You live in the Bible Belt. Don't act surprised when Oklahoma doesn't legalize same sex marriages. Selling wine in a separate store has nothing to do with the Southern Baptists...it has to do with the tax structure of the state. Have you ever lived outside the state? If not, I suggest you do that. You will get a better perspective on why native Oklahomans always move back to Oklahoma.
I bet the only time many Oklahomans who moved out of Oklahoma but later moved back was during the Great Depression. Many Oklahomans who moved to California during that time didn't like how they were mistreated as job stealing outsiders and so moved back.
Not selling wine in grocery stores has everything to do with liquor store owners fearing losing business from changing to doing it that way.
It's hard for me to think of anyone who moved out of Oklahoma but later came back. Oklahomans who moved to California love the mild weather and scenery too much to even remotely think of moving back. And they may very well have a decent paying job that can't be had in Oklahoma.
I think it's just a matter of time, probably no more than 10 years from now, when same sex marriage will be legal in Oklahoma. It largely reflects how political developments and cultural changes in the mid section of the country usually lag the coasts. Surely back during the 1990s, plenty of people thought Oklahoma would never legalize lotteries, casinos and tattoos simply because it was in the bible belt. But it's happened.
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We are looking at moving from SoCal to Oklahoma in a few years and the Ada area is one on the places that we are considering along with NE Oklahoma. Is the weather in the Ada region (is it called southern OK?) much different than NE OK? I know that east to west is different, along with geography, but I haven't read much on weather difference between north and south.
We are glad to be back, though we miss a lot about Oregon in particular. Really miss being able to get to the Pacific Coast on a regular basis.
