[eddie gein]

Originally Posted by bamba_boy

I recently discovered OK "Red Dirt Music" and am such a fan I'm ready to move to the state just for the music! What is the best live music town: Tulsa or OKC? Willing to live in smaller cities too just as long as there is some chance for consulting work in oil and gas E&P.

Tulsa has a better music scene simply because they have some better venues than OKC in Cain's Ballroom and the Brady Theater. OKC really doesn't have anything like those two places. Tulsa gets acts due to those two places because people want to play there.

Stillwater is the "home" of Red Dirt and it's about 60 miles from OKC and Tulsa. Oil bidness is picking back up so now would be a good time to move here.

[caligirlz]

Originally Posted by k374

Two types of people now live in CA - the very poor, because CA is a socialist state that hands out a lot of freebies to the poor so the poor love it there, and the uber rich who don't care about the costs because it makes no difference to them if they have millions in the bank. Everyone else is leaving in droves.

Are you from California cuz that’s not even accurate.
There are native Californians & newcomers that love California & are fighting against the tyranny
There are good people who are stuck here behind enemy lines for many reasons
There are people who buck the system (not really sure how they do it though)
There are many normal low to middle income folk, actually amazing to me how many people actually still go on vacations
There are liberals that vote for the **** politics & love the outcome
And so many other types of folks live here. It’s not just 2 classes of folks. You’re obviously reading some Reddit bs

I visited OKC once many years ago for work and thought it was a nice city. Afterwards, I drove down to Georgia for a conference. I’m from rural California, so I loved the drive and seeing the countryside of the Midwest. I know a few Californians that have moved to OK and they love it for the most part. They aren’t liberal Californians though.

[StillwaterTownie]

Originally Posted by caligirlz

Are you from California cuz that’s not even accurate.
There are native Californians & newcomers that love California & are fighting against the tyranny
There are good people who are stuck here behind enemy lines for many reasons
There are people who buck the system (not really sure how they do it though)
There are many normal low to middle income folk, actually amazing to me how many people actually still go on vacations
There are liberals that vote for the **** politics & love the outcome
And so many other types of folks live here. It’s not just 2 classes of folks. You’re obviously reading some Reddit bs

I visited OKC once many years ago for work and thought it was a nice city. Afterwards, I drove down to Georgia for a conference. I’m from rural California, so I loved the drive and seeing the countryside of the Midwest. I know a few Californians that have moved to OK and they love it for the most part. They aren’t liberal Californians though.

I can vouch for Californians not being liberal who move to Oklahoma. On FB community group, a Californian who had moved to the Stillwater area advised people not to vote yes to raise the city sales tax to improve city streets. It will never end. But she wasn't listened to and so the vote to raise the tax passed by a margin of 70%. It reflected the streets in Stillwater are in pretty bad shape. It had taken an eternity and a half to get Duck St. repaved.

Some Californians are moving to Stillwater to get away from how it is in California. The most likely out of state license plate to be seen in Stillwater after Texas and Kansas may be California. Here is one person's account from San Franciso of how it was like to move to Stillwater to take advantage of the incentive offer:

Stillwater’s investment in remote workers paying off: https://journalrecord.com/2022/04/01...rs-paying-off/

Conservatives from California wanting to move to Oklahoma should realize that Oklahoma isn't any different from California in the sense that liberals and everybody else can petition for a vote to vote yes to repeal or implement new government policy. As a result, there are now 2 petitions circulating in Oklahoma to legalize rec marijuana. Citizens in a number of Red States, such as Kansas and Texas don't have the power to try to do any such thing. Anyway, if Oklahoma can beat Texas to legalize rec marijuana, it will mean a lot of Texans coming up to buy some and adding to state tax revenues as they already do now from going to the biggest casino in the world, Winstar. This should be able to make it easier to eliminate sales tax on food and lower the state income tax again. But it was too bad how this year's adjourned Republican legislative session was far more concentrated on banning nearly all abortion. So much so that the governor decided to call for a special session later this month to address those two tax issues.

[ketchikanite]

I come down to visit with my children and grandchildren every three months. They live in Piedmont, Oklahoma and over the past three years there has been a steady influx of Californians, New Yorkers, etc. It’s unreal how many outsiders are moving to this town on the outskirts of OKC. Piedmont doesn’t even have a traffic light yet. No WalMart or other major retailer.

My BIL put his 3200 square foot house up for sale in Piedmont last month with an asking price of $700,000. It was on a half acre lot, with an in ground pool and a 20’x30’ shop building. It sold within 3 days for $30K above the asking price with multiple offers being made. Both of my daughters have houses their and they receive multiple calls every month from realtors asking if they are interested in selling.

[StillwaterTownie]

Originally Posted by ketchikanite

I come down to visit with my children and grandchildren every three months. They live in Piedmont, Oklahoma and over the past three years there has been a steady influx of Californians, New Yorkers, etc. It’s unreal how many outsiders are moving to this town on the outskirts of OKC. Piedmont doesn’t even have a traffic light yet. No WalMart or other major retailer.

My BIL put his 3200 square foot house up for sale in Piedmont last month with an asking price of $700,000. It was on a half acre lot, with an in ground pool and a 20’x30’ shop building. It sold within 3 days for $30K above the asking price with multiple offers being made. Both of my daughters have houses there and they receive multiple calls every month from realtors asking if they are interested in selling.

No wonder. That place sounds quite desirable for those who have the money. Besides that, the Oklahoma City metro is the most desirable place to live in Oklahoma. The Tulsa metro comes in 2nd. But unlike Oklahoma City, Tulsa feels it needs to offer a $10,000 incentive to persuade people to move there.

https://tulsaremote.com

[eddie gein]

Originally Posted by StillwaterTownie

No wonder. That place sounds quite desirable for those who have the money. Besides that, the Oklahoma City metro is the most desirable place to live in Oklahoma. The Tulsa metro comes in 2nd. But unlike Oklahoma City, Tulsa feels it needs to offer a $10,000 incentive to persuade people to move there.

https://tulsaremote.com

It has been interesting to watch the evolution of OKC suburban growth through the decades. Piedmont was just a collection of a few houses strung along a section line road with a downtown that consisted of about two early 1900s buildings. Now it is booming basically as the "New Yukon"...

Deer Creek was basically a country school. No houses to speak of. Just a school. Now it is the "New Edmond"...

I don't think that the majority of OKC's growth is from out of state they always talk of the reverse dust bowl that is happening in that people who moved out to California in the 1930s and 1940s have relatives who are coming back here.

[Oklazona Bound]

Originally Posted by k374

Californians are leaving CA not because it's a choice... they are literally being priced out of living there because the cost of living there has become absurd, that is the only way I can describe it. More and more people are leaving because they just can't manage the costs anymore.

Two types of people now live in CA - the very poor, because CA is a socialist state that hands out a lot of freebies to the poor so the poor love it there, and the uber rich who don't care about the costs because it makes no difference to them if they have millions in the bank. Everyone else is leaving in droves.

That is just a broad generalization. If you bought a home 20 or 30 years ago and its nearly paid off you can reverse mortgage it and live well during retirement in California. Or do some cash outs. And there are millions of those people. And lots of people are moving because their home has gone up so much in value that they can go elsewhere and buy the same thing for half the price or less. And that has been the case even in the early 90's when my parents did that.

But working class people are being squeezed and leaving. I have met several who are now in rural Oklahoma from California.

[NearFantastica]

I feel sorry for any Californians that have to settle in Oklahoma

[eddie gein]

Originally Posted by NearFantastica

I feel sorry for any Californians that have to settle in Oklahoma

I'm sure they will appreciate it.

[StillwaterTownie]

Originally Posted by NearFantastica

I feel sorry for any Californians that have to settle in Oklahoma

Why should that be if they are conservative and hardly ever went to the beach or go skiing while in California?