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Old 01-12-2013, 12:21 PM
 
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One useless idiot per station vs one per train sounds like a good tradeoff to me
One per station or one per each entrance to each station?
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:26 PM
 
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One per station or one per each entrance to each station?
Fair point. Haven't seen DC's model but they'd have to set it up with only one access point to the tracks with a high fence and maybe a revolving gate type of deal. Would be impossible in outdoor stations. So yea it's probably not feasible
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:30 PM
 
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We have fare machines at my local station, but I still see people buying their tickets on the train.

If there were no conductors to check tickets, couldn't a rider purchase a ticket for a closer zone to save a few bucks but ride on through to the more distant and expensive zone?
If they are seniors they dont get dinged for buying tickets on the train. If they are not seniors, its $5-$6 more per ticket on the train. IF they want to throw away their money,who should we be to stop them?
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:31 PM
 
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One useless idiot per station vs one per train sounds like a good tradeoff to me
And the stations with 5-6 exits per platform????
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:33 PM
 
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already corrected meself
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:33 PM
 
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Fair point. Haven't seen DC's model but they'd have to set it up with only one access point to the tracks with a high fence and maybe a revolving gate type of deal. Would be impossible in outdoor stations. So yea it's probably not feasible
Its not possible in Penn station either with 3 different RRs using it. Granted its LIRR only for the most part on 17-21 but 13-16 are completely shared. No way to really gate them off either. There are a dozen different ways that you can make it on to the LIRR platforms and concourse even when they "close" Penn station when they are having overcrowding issues.
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:40 PM
 
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Its not possible in Penn station either with 3 different RRs using it. Granted its LIRR only for the most part on 17-21 but 13-16 are completely shared. No way to really gate them off either. There are a dozen different ways that you can make it on to the LIRR platforms and concourse even when they "close" Penn station when they are having overcrowding issues.
The idea being bandied about was to overhaul the entire system to facilitate this option. As someone hre already mentioned, if the RR was being designed today it would be designed accordingly. I do think that if done in phases, they could retrofit the existing model to operate without ticket handlers. It would take years to complete, and decades to see any return on the investment, but it does demonstrate forward thinking...

In today's world, if you want to cut costs and improve infrastructure, you have to improvise.
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Old 01-12-2013, 01:50 PM
 
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i generally look at seethroughny.net to see salaries pensions. NY times article link http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/ny...3mta.html?_r=0
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:01 PM
 
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If they are seniors they dont get dinged for buying tickets on the train. If they are not seniors, its $5-$6 more per ticket on the train. IF they want to throw away their money,who should we be to stop them?
To each his own. I guess they're independently wealthy or too set in their ways.
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:20 PM
 
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Personal interaction with a person with a hole punch (which is utterly ridiculous) or swipe card.
Swipe cards clearly there are tremendous start up costs, however, in the long run swipe card would not allow lost fares not to mention ever increasing salary and pension costs.
Maybe Babylon line is the starting point given the elevated platforms, perhaps when the Grand Central Station line opens in 2016 this will come to fruition.
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