[SanyBelle]

Numbers from Worldometers.info. Hospital numbers from Florida Hospital Association.

Date...............Total Cases.....Total Deaths....New Cases......New Deaths...Today's Tests
Sun 10/17...... 3,670,909.........58,140
Mon 10/18...... 3,672,770.........58,142...........1,861.......... .....2...............124,952

Mon 10/18 Hospitalizations 2,634 -70

[WRnative]

Australia's Northern Territory has a land area about 8 times that of Florida, but a population of only about 250,000. It's so serious about suppressing the COVID virus that it could fine any person not complying with its COVID vaccine mandate over $3,500.

<<Under [chief minister Michael} Gunner, the Northern Territory has initiated a wide-reaching vaccine mandate that requires workers in customer-facing industries such as retail, hospitality and education to get at least one dose of a coronavirus vaccine by Nov. 12 and be booked for a second by Dec. 24. Should citizens not comply, they will not be permitted to return to work and could face a fine over $3,500.>>

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...rk/8520170002/

The NT also requires persons to record their movements to facilitate contact tracing.

<<You are required to check-in at most places, businesses, organisations, community groups, venues, services and activities in the Northern Territory, no matter how long you are there for.>>

https://coronavirus.nt.gov.au/stay-safe/check-in-app

<<Currently, there is no evidence of community transmission* in the Northern Territory.>>

https://coronavirus.nt.gov.au/current-status

[SanyBelle]

Numbers from Worldometers.info. Hospital numbers from Florida Hospital Association.

Date...............Total Cases.....Total Deaths....New Cases......New Deaths...Today's Tests
Mon 10/18...... 3,672,770.........58,142
Tues 10/19...... 3,674,892.........58,143...........2,122.......... ......1...............81,163

Tues 10/19 Hospitalizations 2,535 -99

[SanyBelle]

Numbers from Worldometers.info. Hospital numbers from Florida Hospital Association.

Date...............Total Cases.....Total Deaths....New Cases......New Deaths...Today's Tests
Tues 10/19...... 3,674,892.........58,143
Wed 10/20...... 3,677,467.........58,607...........2,575.......... .....464.............75,776

Wed 10/20 Hospitalizations 2,437 -98

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by SanyBelle

Numbers from Worldometers.info. Hospital numbers from Florida Hospital Association.

Date...............Total Cases.....Total Deaths....New Cases......New Deaths...Today's Tests
Sat 10/16....... 3,669,410.........57,712
Sun 10/17...... 3,670,909.........58,140...........1,499.......... .....428..............NR

Sun 10/17 Hospitalizations NR

Originally Posted by SanyBelle

Numbers from Worldometers.info. Hospital numbers from Florida Hospital Association.

Date...............Total Cases.....Total Deaths....New Cases......New Deaths...Today's Tests
Tues 10/19...... 3,674,892.........58,143
Wed 10/20...... 3,677,467.........58,607...........2,575.......... .....464.............75,776

Wed 10/20 Hospitalizations 2,437 -98

SanyBelle, thanks again for your work! It makes the following discussion possible.

Note that new COVID deaths reported increased on 10/20 from 428 on 10/17. It appears that deaths may still be running at over 1,000 per week in Florida (will there be another reporting date within 3 days?).

Again, how is this elevated level of deaths possible despite falling hospitalizations? Are all of the COVID patients left in hospitals in ICUs? Are they dying at very high levels in relation to hospitalizations? Or are the COVID deaths occurring outside of hospitals? Has anybody seen any explanations about this incongruity?

Will reported deaths eventually plummet as hospitalizations continue to fall and apparently many fewer new COVID patients are admitted?

Perhaps the better explanation is that many of the deaths being reported now actually took place weeks ago. Examining Worldometers.com statistics for Florida suggests this is the case.

Scrolling over "Total Coronavirus Deaths in Florida," Worldometers reports 58,607 deaths as of Oct. 20. As of Oct. 13, total COVID deaths in Florida were 58,493. As Worldometers reports only 114 deaths for the week ended Oct. 20, apparently it is adjusting earlier dates for deaths assigned to those dates as Florida reports its COVID death statistics on a delayed basis. In post 498, SanyBelle reported Oct. 13 total Florida COVID deaths as 57,709, 784 fewer than now being attributed to that date by Worldometers (which also was the source of SanyBelle's original Oct. 13 death toll reported in post 498).

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

If this analysis is accurate, Florida underreported deaths in prior weeks and still is catching up on reporting deaths that occurred earlier in the COVID Delta variant surge that now is waning in Florida. How many accumulated deaths that occurred on earlier dates have yet to be reported and assigned to those dates?

Worldometers reports total Florida COVID deaths as of July 31 at 40,222. So Florida experienced 18,385 reported deaths through October 20 attributable to the Delta surge, or a rate of 856 per million population.

For California, with its much more robust public health measures to combat COVID transmission, the comparable numbers are 64,051 (July 31), 71,230 (Oct. 20), 7,179 (reported deaths during Delta surge), and 182 (reported COVID deaths per million population during the Delta surge).

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...sa/california/

Florida's COVID death per million rate during the Delta surge was almost 5 times greater than in California, and Florida as discussed apparently still is reporting on a delayed basis COVID deaths from earlier in the Delta surge. Florida likely has inflicted many more cases of long COVID on its residents on a per capita basis during the Delta surge than in California.

As California now is implementing extensive vaccine mandates while a DeSantis administration COVID primary public policy goal now is to block vaccine mandates, California's outperformance relative to Florida likely will become much greater in coming months. This especially will matter if another surge takes place in coming months due to holiday travel, more indoor exposure as the weather cools, and perhaps the spread of the reportedly more contagious Delta plus variant in the U.S., or perhaps even another variant more able to evade vaccine-acquired or natural immunological defenses.

<<Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Thursday said he will call state lawmakers back to work early to pass legislation to combat coronavirus vaccine mandates enacted by businesses.

The Republican governor said he will convene a special session of the GOP-controlled statehouse in November to address vaccine requirements. He didn't specify a starting date.>>

https://news.yahoo.com/desantis-conv...152027091.html

<<Former Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Scott Gottlieb tweeted about the [Delta plus] variant over the weekend, calling for “urgent research to figure out if this delta plus is more transmissible” or has “partial immune evasion.”

Experts told the UK’s Financial Times that AY.4.2 appeared to be 10 to 15 percent more transmissible than the original Delta variant.>>

https://nypost.com/2021/10/20/covid-...ted-in-the-us/

https://apnews.com/article/coronavir...9c28c3813d762a

[SanyBelle]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Scrolling over "Total Coronavirus Deaths in Florida," Worldometers reports 58,607 deaths as of Oct. 20. As of Oct. 13, total COVID deaths in Florida were 58,493. As Worldometers reports only 114 deaths for the week ended Oct. 20, apparently it is adjusting earlier dates for deaths assigned to those dates as Florida reports its COVID death statistics on a delayed basis. In post 498, SanyBelle reported Oct. 13 total Florida COVID deaths as 57,709, 784 fewer than now being attributed to that date by Worldometers (which also was the source of SanyBelle's original Oct. 13 death toll reported in post 498).

WRnative, thanks for your analysis. I'm not going to copy your entire post above, I'm just going to address the reporting idiosyncrasies of the new deaths. If someone doesn't review the numbers around 9-10pm each night, numbers are missed. Worldometers might show only 114 deaths for week ending 10/20/2021 but according to my records there were 898. The difference of 784 go unreported to the other agencies that are pulling these numbers. Here are my records for the week ending Wednesday 10/20:

10/14 - 2
10/15 - 0
10/16 - 1
10/17 - 428
10/18 - 2
10/19 - 1
10/20 - 464
Total - 898

On 10/17 and 10/20, low or no additional death numbers (<10) were reported on both days about 6pm. About 10pm, the numbers are suddenly updated to 428 and 464, the additional numbers do not make it to the USA "Total Deaths" column. On 10/20 about 6pm when the other numbers were updated, the Florida New Deaths number was reported at 58,143 the same number as 10/19 so it appeared that Florida had no deaths on 10/20**. The reporting agencies reported 0 deaths. Later on 10/20 (10pm when I again looked), the number jumped to 58,607 and the difference of 464 was NOT reported anywhere, certainly not to the CDC where flamiddle's graph comes from.

Are we purposely being misled by the timing of these updates? I don't know. Will we ever know the real numbers? I don't know.

** I know these 464 deaths did not all occur on 10/20 since the reports take weeks to make it to the official agencies that do the counting. What is this official agency anyway???

[mollybygolly]

I appreciate you taking the time to post this information, and the effort you put in to ensure the numbers are accurate (with the limited access we have to "real" numbers).

[SanyBelle]

Numbers from Worldometers.info. Hospital numbers from Florida Hospital Association.

Date...............Total Cases.....Total Deaths....New Cases......New Deaths...Today's Tests
Wed 10/20...... 3,677,467.........58,607
Thur 10/21...... 3,679,824.........58,608...........2,357.......... ......1..............75,589

Thur 10/21 Hospitalizations 2,377 -60

[joestar1]

Originally Posted by WRnative

The Japanese COVID experience once again demonstrates the incompetency of American, and especially Florida's, COVID public health policies. Discouraging mask-wearing and coddling anti-vax sentiments has resulted in great harm to the American society and economy. Note that Japan never has used lockdowns such as those employed in Australia and New Zealand to control its epidemic.

<<Daily new COVID-19 cases have plummeted from a mid-August peak of nearly 6,000 in Tokyo, with caseloads in the densely populated capital now routinely below 100, an 11-month low.

The bars are packed, the trains are crowded, and the mood is celebratory, despite a general bafflement over what, exactly, is behind the sharp drop.

Japan, unlike other places in Europe and Asia, has never had anything close to a lockdown, just a series of relatively toothless states of emergency.

Some possible factors in Japan's success include a belated but remarkably rapid vaccination campaign, an emptying out of many nightlife areas as fears spread during the recent surge in cases, a widespread practice, well before the pandemic, of wearing masks and bad weather in late August that kept people home....

The number of daily shots rose to about 1.5 million in July, pushing vaccination rates from 15% in early July to 65% by early October, exceeding the 57% of the United States.>>

https://www.yahoo.com/news/vaccines-...034036438.html

The Japanese populace self-regulates when dealing with contagion. It does not have prominent political leaders promoting anti-science concepts of "liberty" in the face of a common danger.

As of 10/18, Florida's cases per million population were 170,847 and deaths per million 2,687. In Japan, the statistics were 13,612 and 144, respectively. Cases likely correlate highly with long COVID infection rates.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Six months from now, comparing the U.S. and Florida COVID experiences with those in the likes of Australia and Japan hopefully will result in a political and policy reckoning that will result in an aversion to living with COVID AND finally result in the implementation of both policies and agencies both able and empowered to protect our populations against both new variants and potentially even more lethal viruses. Imagine some more deadly virus, perhaps engineered and introduced into the the U.S., and Americans resist lockdowns and other social distancing measures, the use of masks, and resistance to vaccinations.

It also will be informative as to how California with its relatively stringent mask and vaccine mandates fares in the months ahead versus states such as Florida that aggressively promote anti-mask and anti-vaccine legal protections.

Per Japanese law, vaccines cannot be made mandatory.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by joestar1

Per Japanese law, vaccines cannot be made mandatory.

Please substantiate this claim.