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In my experience on this sub , this applies to both sides. You have those who perpetually create threads that complain about the lack of success in the job market, and how employers are malevolent and undermining, and just want to royally *bleep* you over, which certainly can fuel anxiety about job prospects.
But you also have the side that perpetually supplies posts about how you're 1 out of 1,000,000 applicants they come across each day, how worthless your education/experience is, how you're nothing special that sticks out to them, how you owe a company X amount of years before you think you can move on even if you're treated awful, etc. This equally fuels anxiety, if not more so. You feel trapped, like you have very few options available to you. This IS NOT helpful to anyone here! It is extremely discouraging and demotivating to hear "employers" and "managers" talk like this.
Quite frankly, I've had to take this sub less serious as a result. A lot of people are completely out of touch here, and they lack any amount of empathy towards an individual's situation. Out of all the "advice" that is given across this forum, this sub has some of the least wholesome, motivating, and/or uplifting. More often than not, I feel rather deflated after reading the so-called "advice" on this sub. I know that some people do seem to want to help, but most threads here seem to devolve into an Us vs. Them debate, as if we (employees and employers) don't actually legitimately need one another all the same.
What would be helpful, in my opinion, is to come together and share ideas on how to be successful (from an employee standpoint to the employer/manager, and from the employer/manager standpoint to the employee), rather than spending most of the time berating and demonizing either side. Because at the end of the day (at least for now), we still need jobs, and they still need employees/consumers.
It actually is useful because it gets people motivated to vote and initiate ballot measures on employment issues. The only way these issues will get fixed is through legislation that ties a noose around employers necks. We have an imballance of economic freedom in this nation because employers hold most of the capital and most of the means of production (ie means of producing capital). Thats a HUGE issue that can only be solved with legislation.
When you are 1 in 1000 applicant to a given job thats a problem. Thats basicly the market coming back and saying this is no longer a free honest market, this is a surf and vassel economy of desperate job seekers, thats not capitalism thats feudalism and I certianly dont support feudalism and 90% of everyone else shouldnt either. In true capitilism employers cant make smug remarks about their leverage without consequences from the market itself, in feudalism you can because you as the employer litterally hold all the cards like a feudal barron or lord. That is bascily our model now, we are not capitalist.
The first thing that needs to go is at-will employment.
Just saw this interesting take on the economy from Ray Dialo, the Founder of Bridgewater, the world's largest hedge fund. Might be why so many seem to be struggling. Jay
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It actually is useful because it gets people motivated to vote and initiate ballot measures on employment issues. The only way these issues will get fixed is through legislation that ties a noose around employers necks. We have an imballance of economic freedom in this nation because employers hold most of the capital and most of the means of production (ie means of producing capital). Thats a HUGE issue that can only be solved with legislation.
When you are 1 in 1000 applicant to a given job thats a problem. Thats basicly the market coming back and saying this is no longer a free honest market, this is a surf and vassel economy of desperate job seekers, thats not capitalism thats feudalism and I certianly dont support feudalism and 90% of everyone else shouldnt either. In true capitilism employers cant make smug remarks about their leverage without consequences from the market itself, in feudalism you can because you as the employer litterally hold all the cards like a feudal barron or lord. That is bascily our model now, we are not capitalist.
The first thing that needs to go is at-will employment.
Sticking it to businesses and business owners will only drive them elsewhere. Then, America will be a total banana republic. Society would be on the brink of collapse in the US if the jobs all vanished.
Running a business is challenging enough as it is. Many business owners devote most of their waking time focusing on their business. It is a huge commitment, and even when things are going right, it can be an overwhelming undertaking. But someone has to do these things. That's why I think generous profits are a good thing.
You are correct. USA is not purely capitalist. US economy is a mixed system with elements of capitalism and socialism. I can't think of any country or system that is entirely capitalists, socialist, etc. USA is nowhere near feudalistic though. That's just plain silly of you to suggest such a thing.
Sticking it to businesses and business owners will only drive them elsewhere. Then, America will be a total banana republic. Society would be on the brink of collapse in the US if the jobs all vanished.
Running a business is challenging enough as it is. Many business owners devote most of their waking time focusing on their business. It is a huge commitment, and even when things are going right, it can be an overwhelming undertaking. But someone has to do these things. That's why I think generous profits are a good thing.
You are correct. USA is not purely capitalist. US economy is a mixed system with elements of capitalism and socialism. I can't think of any country or system that is entirely capitalists, socialist, etc. USA is nowhere near feudalistic though. That's just plain silly of you to suggest such a thing.
Just make the rules only applicable to companies that have over 250 employees. This country has a huge problem with monopolies and it would be a good thing if most of the largest companies decide to leave.
Sticking it to businesses and business owners will only drive them elsewhere. Then, America will be a total banana republic. Society would be on the brink of collapse in the US if the jobs all vanished.
Running a business is challenging enough as it is. Many business owners devote most of their waking time focusing on their business. It is a huge commitment, and even when things are going right, it can be an overwhelming undertaking. But someone has to do these things. That's why I think generous profits are a good thing.
You are correct. USA is not purely capitalist. US economy is a mixed system with elements of capitalism and socialism. I can't think of any country or system that is entirely capitalists, socialist, etc. USA is nowhere near feudalistic though. That's just plain silly of you to suggest such a thing.
Then why are we seeing alot of the same effects that you would see in fuedalism? Most notibly hundreds (if not thousands) of people groveling for one position, thats what serfs and vassals did in feudal systems. In a technical sense you are correct but because of the extreme lop sided supply and demand dynamic we are techcnically capitalist/socialist but funcitonally fuedal.
Granted not full blown serfs on farms but we look more feudal than capitalist of socialist. Its all the good stuff of capitalism for the eliet with just enough socailism to keep riots down and not a cent more. The social safety nets in the USA are pathetic, thus people have to engage is some pretty cut throat job competition for survival.
It USED to be only the drugged out druggies, hard core felons and other undesirables were basicly shunned from the job market, now days the competition is so ruthless that good folks are being treated treteroiusly, and are being told, oh man your just a looser of capitalism, we had 300 people apply for that one job and you werent it, go buy some cat food for dinner, too bad so sad.
We dont have a healthy supply and demand dynamic and thus dont have true capitalism. In order for the markets to "self regulate" you cant have any given party, industry, etc gaining total power which is what we have now.
Just make the rules only applicable to companies that have over 250 employees. This country has a huge problem with monopolies and it would be a good thing if most of the largest companies decide to leave.
I agree, I am not talking about Joe the baker who has a fledgling buisness (or maybe its doing well, but is very small). It is the mega corps that I refer too, I absolutly hate them, they funel money out of the host nation to who knows where, not only are they exploiting the typical wage workers they are a screwing us twice because they dont even reinvest the money locally.
So I am not scared of these mega corps going somewhere else, in fact I think we should have special taxes for them to compel them to leave faster so that others can enter the market with 5-6 (or whatever) different small buisness, the inovatoin would sky rocket becasue mega corps are ridgid and dont care about anything but the next quarter. It does not matter how cool the idea is or how much it can do in 3-5 years, if the CEO is not getting a bonus that quarter then they dont care.
If you can't find a job there is something wrong with you. Stop trying to blame it on the world.
In my area the only jobs available are minimum wage with no benefits. The big companies that offer competitive wages and benefits are laying off people. Nothing is wrong with most of the people here who are looking for jobs. We have four major employers in town, one of them layed off 500 engineers two weeks ago.
From my experience working in HR for the last 10 years (several different companies), I have never experienced posting a job that wasn't open/available.
Understand in most employers cases, there is an approval process and budget that each position is tied to.
In most cases, the hiring manager has to justify the new/existing position each time. There isn't time or resources to just post random jobs that don't exist. There are cases where companies will have an "evergreen" posting, for example, lets say a bank is constantly hiring Tellers, they will always keep the job posting open. Evergreen postings are for high turner positions or a company employs many in that position.
Yes, our jobs are phished from our website, and pushed out to Indeed and various job boards. If you see a job on Indeed, go to the website directly to ensure it is still posted. Our jobs are closed the first day of employment for the new hire. At that point, the posting will eventually expire on the job boards, but there could be a lag.
Yes, internal candidates apply/transfer, which then creates a domino effect, and a new position might open. I had seen plenty of cases where the internal candidate was not picked. The most qualified candidate was.
We have an ATS, but I still review each resume, but yes, some systems are designed to look for key words and the candidate is auto declined. The realities are companies need ATS to manage the flow and volume of candidates. Yes, you need to put the work into your resume/cover letter and customize for each position if you want to stand out. If I see a well written cover letter/resume, it shows me your writing skills, your attention to detail, your interest in working for this company.
Yes, I have hired people from out of state, it happens. And in those cases they explained anything from my husband has been transferred to CT, and we will be in the area during a specific time, to I have family in the area and I am looking to get back into the area. If you don't help me help you, I have to move onto the rest of the applicants.
On the flip side, my husband and I will be moving from CT soon. We had an area we were interested in, we picked a week we would visit for 1 week. Started applying to numerous jobs weeks prior, communicating the week he would be available for interviews, clearly stating we were open to relocation.
Long story short, on the 2nd to last day we were to return to CT, he received an email, got him in the next day for an interview and received a verbal offer. Full disclosure, we haven't gotten through all the details so I can't tell you how the story will end quite yet. My husband is blue collar. We focused our job search on states with low unemployment/a lot of manufacturing jobs. Both can be found on BLS and Nam.org. I did a lot of research on WalletHub which provides a lot of statistics that could be helpful in pointing someone in a specific direction.
Those that are looking for work, looking to relocate, it can happen! Suggestion to anyone looking for work. Go to indeed, put in the title of the job you are looking for in the "what" Leave the "where" blank.
Look to the left column and it will show you statistics, specifically, what cities have the most job postings.
I know this was long, just hoping it helps someone out there looking for work.
There may be a simple solution: Move to a different area.
No kidding, the problem is most people can't sell their houses and don't have the means to uproot their entire family and start over without the money from the sale of their house. I'm very fortunate that I have a union job and not in that position myself. Thanks UAW. I don't think some posters on CD are very aware of what is going on in other areas of the country. We went from being a prosperous area with above average manufacturing wages to a more minumum wage retail economy in just a couple of years time.
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