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Shepparton only has a 15C seasonal range, so not continental. It is directly effected by cold fronts year round round ( like oceanic climates), and those cold fronts are what give it colder summer temperatures. Being semi aid is incidental, - NZ has semi arid climates, but they are still fundamentally oceanic.
It isn't Glasgow or Invercargill, but the temporary nature of high pressure and cold fronts that follow as a result, are Oceanic in nature. Just the degree of that pattern is is different.
Shepparton is not continental, yes. But due to its inland location, it will not be as ocean-moderated as the southern Victorian coast. Therefore, the Antarctic cold fronts would always be stronger there, since the relatively warm Victorian ocean will not moderate the inland areas (as it does the coast).
Again, I really don't see how their cold fronts are "oceanic in nature", when they come from a continental landmass (Antarctica). Like I said, the cold polar air doesn't just appear in the ocean. A continental landmass is the source for the polar air. NOT the ocean (considering that it actually weakens its severity).
NZ semi-arid climates are fundamentally oceanic because they're moderated by the ocean so they would not get extremes as experienced in North America and Asia. This applies to every place in Australia, too. That's why we have warmer records than other comparative continents. Why is Tasmania in the winter warmer than New York and Japan in the winter? Because of the surrounding, moderating ocean. But we all know that.
What would you class Renmark's and Mildura's climates as?
Shepparton actually has colder winters than Melbourne, and that is with data only from 1996 to present at the airport station. Their July is a mere 3.4/13.2C. For comparison, the July averages at Renmark Airport are 3.8/16.3C.
Many of these places in inland NE Vic and adjacent areas of NSW (e.g. Wagga) are perhaps the most "continental" in Australia, they have relatively cool winters ( cooler than Melbourne and other coastal areas in southern Vic), but summers are a fair bit warmer. Wagga only averages 2.9/12.9C in July on the 1981-10
Renmark and Mildura are really just Mediterranean climates that don't follow all the rules- Southern Californian climates, but with more volatility.
Shepparton can get summer weather that is unmistakably oceanic in cause and effect, more so than most subtropical climates. The winters are either warm oceanic or cool Mediterranean, which are fundamentally the same - it's a mistake to separate those climates (warm Cfb/ cooler Cwa, as they'different sides of the same coin.
Wagga's seasonal range is too lopsided to be continental - it gets more heat than cold, and it's cold is the NZ variety, just ocean moderated cold fronts, with low minimums due to frequent radition frost.
Shepparton is not continental, yes. But due to its inland location, it will not be as ocean-moderated as the southern Victorian coast. Therefore, the Antarctic cold fronts would always be stronger there, since the relatively warm Victorian ocean will not moderate the inland areas (as it does the coast).
Again, I really don't see how their cold fronts are "oceanic in nature", when they come from a continental landmass (Antarctica). Like I said, the cold polar air doesn't just appear in the ocean. A continental landmass is the source for the polar air. NOT the ocean (considering that it actually weakens its severity).
NZ semi-arid climates are fundamentally oceanic because they're moderated by the ocean so they would not get extremes as experienced in North America and Asia. This applies to every place in Australia, too. That's why we have warmer records than other comparative continents. Why is Tasmania in the winter warmer than New York and Japan in the winter? Because of the surrounding, moderating ocean. But we all know that.
It doesn't matter that Shepparton is hotter/colder than Melbourne, only that the climate shows moderation of an Oceanic source- Shepparton fits that description.
The cold fronts are Oceanic in nature, because they are strongly moderated by the ocean, and also because the year round frequency of cold fronts indicates the absence of semi permanent high pressure during summer. Lack of semi permanent high pressure is at the source of Oceanic- ness.
Aridity is only an secondary characteristic/effect of most major classifications, irrelevant really, except for one explanation of higher diurnal ranges.
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5.3°C at the weather station at the harbour and -4.3°C up at 430 m asl inthe city hills, both in the municipalityand mayby like 12 km away from each other - that's a large difference.
Also large difference in snow depth. We have ca 10 cm, a lot more higher up and also more a litte inland - 85 cm on the ground 52 km inland and that is still only 120 m asl.
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The cold fronts are Oceanic in nature, because they are strongly moderated by the ocean, and also because the year round frequency of cold fronts indicates the absence of semi permanent high pressure during summer. Lack of semi permanent high pressure is at the source of Oceanic- ness.
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"Things" like this who ****s the Southern Hemisphere temperate climates,even in summer it comes from the deeps of Antarctic and causa a great drop in temperature.
It sucks that there is no climate data for the coldest district in Turkey. I whine about it. The name of the district is Göle. I wanna go there in January and live the extreme cold.
It doesn't matter that Shepparton is hotter/colder than Melbourne, only that the climate shows moderation of an Oceanic source- Shepparton fits that description.
Many climates have an ocean moderation to an extent, including New York and even Vladivostok (relatively of course). Doesn't mean that they're fundamentally oceanic climates. Shepparton is ocean-moderated (as is most of Australia), but not to the extent of Melbourne and other coastal cities. The inland VIC/NSW get those cold nights because the ocean allows cold antarctic air to reach them. This has nothing to do with the ocean per se, but more with Antarctica.
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The cold fronts are Oceanic in nature, because they are strongly moderated by the ocean, and also because the year round frequency of cold fronts indicates the absence of semi permanent high pressure during summer. Lack of semi permanent high pressure is at the source of Oceanic- ness.
The cold fronts are only "oceanic in nature" because the relatively warmer ocean moderates their severity. That part is oceanic. But since they come from Antarctica (a continental landmass) that would make them polar fronts. Because, obviously, they stem from Antarctica. You can say that that they're "ocean-moderated, continental cold fronts", to compromise. As they are sourced from a large, cold continental landmass.
Many climates have an ocean moderation to an extent, including New York and even Vladivostok (relatively of course). Doesn't mean that they're fundamentally oceanic climates. Shepparton is ocean-moderated (as is most of Australia), but not to the extent of Melbourne and other coastal cities. The inland VIC/NSW get those cold nights because the ocean allows cold antarctic air to reach them. This has nothing to do with the ocean per se, but more with Antarctica.
The cold fronts are only "oceanic in nature" because the relatively warmer ocean moderates their severity. That part is oceanic. But since they come from Antarctica (a continental landmass) that would make them polar fronts. Because, obviously, they stem from Antarctica. You can say that that they're "ocean-moderated, continental cold fronts", to compromise. As they are sourced from a large, cold continental landmass.
Summer cold fronts are Oceanic in nature, because that is what defines Cfb climates. It's not the ocean that allows cold fronts to reach Southern Australia, but departing high pressure ( very much a Cfb trait)
Cfb lack semi permanent high pressure, so cold fronts are much more a part of the summer climate, than in other C climates.
Cold summer temperatures in Southern Australia has everything to do with the same weather pattern that NZ has - departing high pressure making way for cold fronts.
Am doing the 2002-2016 St. Petersburg averages because of curiousity. Remarkable July temps for this latitude I have to say: 23.8/16.1; that's even warmer than Stockholm's UHI for the same time. Some impressive heat there too, can't believe how a place by the Baltic Sea managed to have a 24.4C monthly mean in July 2010.
No month in Sweden has ever gone above 22C in mean and Stockholm is like 0.1-0.2C cooler than St. Petersburg in a normal July.
Impressive stuff!
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