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Old 06-15-2012, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Chambersburg PA
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A serial sexual predator about whom many knew of his actions ... and to protect the football team and the University they did nothing. The lives of the young people meant nothing to those with authority. Convict him. Send him away for life. Fire the administsrators who knew. Bar the University's athletic teams from NCAA competition for a decade. And make the University suffer financially, really big. Hundreds of millions of $$$ as a signal to the other institutions where I've no doubt similar things happen.
Ya know, the more I think about it, the more I disagree that there should be a payout for these guys if he's found guilty...from the University or really otherwise.
I'd rather see that they get therapy and the money be donated somewhere appropriate.
I'm a child molestation/rape survivor, I didn't get a payday, and most others don't ...but these guys were "lucky" enough to have some rich guy affiliated with a big university molest them so they get $$$?
Yeah, no... I don't think they should.
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Old 06-15-2012, 07:48 AM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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Ya know, the more I think about it, the more I disagree that there should be a payout for these guys if he's found guilty...from the University or really otherwise.
I'd rather see that they get therapy and the money be donated somewhere appropriate.
I'm a child molestation/rape survivor, I didn't get a payday, and most others don't ...but these guys were "lucky" enough to have some rich guy affiliated with a big university molest them so they get $$$?
Yeah, no... I don't think they should.
When the Sandusky case first hit the press, with talk of cover-ups, I didn't see a problem with lawsuits against him or the University.

When potential lawsuits hovering in the air, it takes the focus away from the crime, gives defense reason to discredit the victims motives for coming forward.

IMO, defense shouldn't be permitted to talk about civil suits and monetary gain before jurors.

Jurors either believe they were victimized and a crime was committed, or they don't, based on testimony.

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Old 06-15-2012, 01:25 PM
 
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Again, I asked you for a specific charge from anyone connected with Penn State in an official capacity. I'm not attempting to deny, or even downplay the seriousness of the charges, only the motives of a clique who saw an opportunity to link the individual to the instituion for ideolgical and, possibly financial purposes, (and who for obvious reasons, BTW, don't want the sophistication of their efforts brought into the spotlight).

Below is a link to local coverage:

Riot at Penn State is most costly, destructive in 15 years, State College police chief says | PennLive.com

What happened here was a half-dozen idiots taking their frustrartions out on one (local, BTW) media vehicle ... no smashed storefronts, no police officers assaulted ..... nothing on a par with Chicago, Seattle and the other OWS tantrums

The usual inflammatory rhetoric for the back-benchers.
1. With regards to the riots, nytimes has the full recount and yes, throwing bottles, rocks, fireworks at police is assaulting them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/11/sp...is-ousted.html

2. When the scandal first broke, Paterno himself in a press conference questioned the motivations of the accusers. (financial) It's since become impossible to find on the web because it's ill to speak of the dead.

3. Wow, Penn State has a serial child molestor imbedded in their football program....one caught in the act no less....and swept it under the rug. And now YOU have the nerve to blame it on a conspiracy to try to attack Penn State? Have you no shame?
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Old 06-15-2012, 01:27 PM
 
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Ya know, the more I think about it, the more I disagree that there should be a payout for these guys if he's found guilty...from the University or really otherwise.
I'd rather see that they get therapy and the money be donated somewhere appropriate.
I'm a child molestation/rape survivor, I didn't get a payday, and most others don't ...but these guys were "lucky" enough to have some rich guy affiliated with a big university molest them so they get $$$?
Yeah, no... I don't think they should.
Some states have injury funds where punitive damages etc. go into the funds to help in cases like you described.

I 100% agree. Good post.

If you get hit by a pepsi truck driven by a drunk and I get hit by a beat up car driven without insurance by a penniless person driving drunk.....you get the big payday and I get medical bills.
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Old 06-15-2012, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Chambersburg PA
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Some states have injury funds where punitive damages etc. go into the funds to help in cases like you described.

I 100% agree. Good post.

If you get hit by a pepsi truck driven by a drunk and I get hit by a beat up car driven without insurance by a penniless person driving drunk.....you get the big payday and I get medical bills.
That's what i think should be done. They should get a set "x" amount/limit that everyone is able to get and therapy. Make it reasonable ...any extra awarded goes into a pool to cover for those who wouldn't get because the guilty party had no assets
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Old 06-15-2012, 07:03 PM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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Aw....it's the evil media and "nefarious forces" out to get PA state.

Sorry, but I think raping little kids is wrong, unlike what you learned in college.
I think it's wrong too, and so do the people in Centre County, PA. Oops, looks like a giant chasm between perception and reality!

You and your ilk better hope to God that you're correct about your assertions against Joe Paterno, though, because if you're wrong, then your credibility goes bye-bye forever. (No, we don't know all the facts.)
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Old 06-15-2012, 07:37 PM
 
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I think it's wrong too, and so do the people in Centre County, PA. Oops, looks like a giant chasm between perception and reality!

You and your ilk better hope to God that you're correct about your assertions against Joe Paterno, though, because if you're wrong, then your credibility goes bye-bye forever. (No, we don't know all the facts.)
Assertions against Paterno?

I personally believe that Paterno was naive and getting up there in the years and just couldn't absorb the gravity of what had occurred. He also reported the incident but nothing was done after that.

He initially defended Sandusky, as many had done but then later asked people to pray for the victims and even interceded WHEN PA STATE FANS HARASSED ONE VICTIM that came forward.

So truth be told, I respect Joe Paterno and we all make mistakes in judgement especially when it's a longtime friend or family member and we just dont want to believe it.

My disdain is squarely aimed at the PA state fans in utter denial or just worried their football team will be *bad* due to penalties. Most people don't think this way, I didn't claim otherwise.

P.S. My ilk? Maybe look around at the thread and look for those still trying to handwave for the University and pin the whole thing on Sandusky? I mean gee...no one caught him molesting a young boy in the shower or anything right? Oh well, at least they went to a bowl game this year after all. Talk about no credibility.........
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Old 06-15-2012, 07:40 PM
 
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I think it's wrong too, and so do the people in Centre County, PA. Oops, looks like a giant chasm between perception and reality!

You and your ilk better hope to God that you're correct about your assertions against Joe Paterno, though, because if you're wrong, then your credibility goes bye-bye forever. (No, we don't know all the facts.)
BTW...your article is anecdotal garbage, no poll....but it's interesting how one shop owner won't give their opinion because it would be "bad for business".

Interesting......
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Old 06-16-2012, 12:40 PM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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BTW...your article is anecdotal garbage, no poll....but it's interesting how one shop owner won't give their opinion because it would be "bad for business".

Interesting......
Maybe she just doesn't believe that it's good to talk about pedophilia when serving coffee. I'd tend to agree with her. Besides, she's the one who said that the overwhelming majority of people she's heard believe that he's guilty.

And "anecdotal garbage" has more validity than baseless assumptions like Joe Paterno supposedly being the second-most powerful man in Pennsylvania. If there's anybody putting Paterno on a pedestal, it's those people with their claims of his omnipotence.
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Old 06-18-2012, 03:35 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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News, Who is Dottie Sandusky?

The shocking details emerging from the Jerry Sandusky trial are raising a lot of questions about his wife of 46 years, Dottie Sandusky.

The prosecution could wrap up its case by Thursday afternoon, and the defense may begin presenting its case Friday. Dottie Sandusky is expected to testify in support of her husband, but she hasn't been in court with him so far because she's a potential witness. Witnesses aren't allowed in the courtroom until the judge permits them.

Who is Dottie Sandusky? | HLNtv.com
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