Better skyline Houston or Dallas? (San Antonio, Fort Worth: diversity, upscale, satellite)

[binkyman]

Originally Posted by Metro Matt

Its pretty telling when it takes 2 of Dallas' skylines to even come close to 1 of Houston's in size not height.

DT + Uptown Dallas = DT Houston

Okay. You aren't far off. How much office space is in downtown Houston? Where downtown Dallas and Uptown would kill Houston is in numbers of Hotels.

What you might check into is when the next surge of office contracts are going to expire in downtown Houston. Central Dallas has already gone through this phenomenon and converted a lot of the same kinds of old skyscrapers Houston has into residential.

Here is how the trick works:

In order to start a project, the developer will need to line up a primary tenant beforehand to take up about 25 percent of the building.
The building itself has already been designed.
In announcing the project, really advertisement for future tenants, the design of the building will be submitted to the public along with the contention that a primary tenant has already been lined up.

If this momentum succeeds in the building getting built, it is going to suck tenants from the older buildings. What has kept momentum building in the Uptown area of Dallas are all those successful conversions of skyscrapers in downtown Dallas over into high rise residential and, in one case, a hotel.

So, all that momentum in downtown Houston is a good thing, but it does come with a very big "IF". Just consider how a lot of those skyscrapers in downtown Houston are now thirty years old?

[Metro Matt]

Originally Posted by binkyman

Okay. You aren't far off. How much office space is in downtown Houston? Where downtown Dallas and Uptown would kill Houston is in numbers of Hotels.

What you might check into is when the next surge of office contracts are going to expire in downtown Houston. Central Dallas has already gone through this phenomenon and converted a lot of the same kinds of old skyscrapers Houston has into residential.

Here is how the trick works:

In order to start a project, the developer will need to line up a primary tenant beforehand to take up about 25 percent of the building.
The building itself has already been designed.
In announcing the project, really advertisement for future tenants, the design of the building will be submitted to the public along with the contention that a primary tenant has already been lined up.

If this momentum succeeds in the building getting built, it is going to suck tenants from the older buildings. What has kept momentum building in the Uptown area of Dallas are all those successful conversions of skyscrapers in downtown Dallas over into high rise residential and, in one case, a hotel.

So, all that momentum in downtown Houston is a good thing, but it does come with a very big "IF". Just consider how a lot of those skyscrapers in downtown Houston are now thirty years old?

That's because most of Houston's hotels are in its Uptown/Galleria area where all of the action is. Tourists & business professionals alike can walk to all of the high end shopping in Houston. They can't do that in Dallas. The area Northpark is in isn't walkable at all. Its for all practical purposes like Tyler's mall in that regard. Dallas' Galleria area will never be what Houston's is, however, I have seen plans to make it a wanna be Central Park. Houston already has that with Memorial Park.

[TXT]

Originally Posted by binkyman

Okay. You aren't far off. How much office space is in downtown Houston? Where downtown Dallas and Uptown would kill Houston is in numbers of Hotels.

What you might check into is when the next surge of office contracts are going to expire in downtown Houston. Central Dallas has already gone through this phenomenon and converted a lot of the same kinds of old skyscrapers Houston has into residential.

Here is how the trick works:

In order to start a project, the developer will need to line up a primary tenant beforehand to take up about 25 percent of the building.
The building itself has already been designed.
In announcing the project, really advertisement for future tenants, the design of the building will be submitted to the public along with the contention that a primary tenant has already been lined up.

If this momentum succeeds in the building getting built, it is going to suck tenants from the older buildings. What has kept momentum building in the Uptown area of Dallas are all those successful conversions of skyscrapers in downtown Dallas over into high rise residential and, in one case, a hotel.

So, all that momentum in downtown Houston is a good thing, but it does come with a very big "IF". Just consider how a lot of those skyscrapers in downtown Houston are now thirty years old?

And after 30+ years, Dallas and its crazy sick bi-polar boosters are still hateful and jealous as ever of much bigger and better Houston and its skyline(s). Dallas is evil and jealous that Houston continues to build loads of much taller buildings throughout the city. Dallas has now resorted to sweeping and mopping up anything it can find (like uptown Dallas) to TRY to compete with Downtown Houston, and STILL comes up short, especially with all those vacant downtown Dallas office buildings and Dallas' SKYHIGH downtown vacancy rates. Dallas, as much as it wants and hopes to be IS NOT on Houston's level...and should pick on something its own size like Philly, Phoenix, San Diego or...LOL, San Antonio.

[BCB]

Originally Posted by Metro Matt

That's because most of Houston's hotels are in its Uptown/Galleria area where all of the action is. Tourists & business professionals alike can walk to all of the high end shopping in Houston. They can't do that in Dallas. The area Northpark is in isn't walkable at all. Its for all practical purposes like Tyler's mall in that regard. Dallas' Galleria area will never be what Houston's is, however, I have seen plans to make it a wanna be Central Park. Houston already has that with Memorial Park.

Ding ding ding ding! There it is folks, a Houstonian said there's nothing to do around Downtown Houston.

[BCB]

Originally Posted by TXT

And after 30+ years, Dallas and its crazy sick bi-polar boosters are still hateful and jealous as ever of much bigger and better Houston and its skyline(s). Dallas is evil and jealous that Houston continues to build loads of much taller buildings throughout the city. Dallas has now resorted to sweeping and mopping up anything it can find (like uptown Dallas) to TRY to compete with Downtown Houston, and STILL comes up short, especially with all those vacant downtown Dallas office buildings and Dallas' SKYHIGH downtown vacancy rates. Dallas, as much as it wants and hopes to be IS NOT on Houston's level...and should pick on something its own size like Philly, Phoenix, San Diego or...LOL, San Antonio.

Dallas is evil and jealous? lololololololol Houstonians are full of themselves. FYI, our buildings aren't built to "compete" with other downtowns. They're built to serve the city it's in. For the last time, DALLAS DOESN'T CARE ABOUT COMPETING IN CHILDISH GAMES! This is Texas, not China.

Oh, please. So everything we do is done to compete with Houston?

Keep dreaming, brother.

[Trae713]

Originally Posted by BCB

Ding ding ding ding! There it is folks, a Houstonian said there's nothing to do around Downtown Houston.

He's not a Houstonian.

[Metro Matt]

Originally Posted by BCB

Oh, please. So everything we do is done to compete with Houston?

Dallas is evil and jealous? lololololololol Houstonians are full of themselves. FYI, buildings aren't built to "compete" with other downtowns. They're built to serve the city it's in. For the last time, DALLAS DOESN'T CARE ABOUT COMPETING IN CHILDISH GAMES! This is Texas, not China.

Keep dreaming, brother.

Ok, I'll bite...Cowboys Stadium & Galleria.

Reliant just out did ya'll though with the World's largest HD screen measuring a MASSIVE 72 X 277 feet. Jerry probably already has his order placed though for an even larger one.

Crygirls are losing the pre-season while Houston is winning all its games. The 29th can't get here soon enough!

[BCB]

Originally Posted by Trae713

He's not a Houstonian.

That's why I put the face.

[binkyman]

Originally Posted by Metro Matt

That's because most of Houston's hotels are in its Uptown/Galleria area where all of the action is. Tourists & business professionals alike can walk to all of the high end shopping in Houston. They can't do that in Dallas. The area Northpark is in isn't walkable at all. Its for all practical purposes like Tyler's mall in that regard. Dallas' Galleria area will never be what Houston's is, however, I have seen plans to make it a wanna be Central Park. Houston already has that with Memorial Park.

Have you ever took a deep breath, relaxed, and meditated? Well, meditate on this. Just what resides in and around the central core of Dallas? Well, there is the Dallas Arts District, the Dallas Design District, the Dallas Market Center, the Southwestern Medical District, the Dallas Fair Park, the Baylor Medical Center, the Dallas Convention Center, a huge district made up of large hotels that also have huge amounts of exhibition space, the in-close Love Field, about fifty million square feet of office space to boot, and . . . as we have been discussing in this thread, the best collection of urban shopping centers and luxury car dealerships -- Lemmon Avenue, Highland Park Village, Inwood Village, Lakewood, Preston Center, Northpark Center, and so on, making it the Mecca of shopping in all the southwest and beyond.

Did I miss anything?

[Metro Matt]

Originally Posted by binkyman

Have you ever took a deep breath, relaxed, and meditated? Well, meditate on this. Just what resides in and around the central core of Dallas? Well, there is the Dallas Arts District, the Dallas Design District, the Dallas Market Center, the Southwestern Medical District, the Dallas Fair Park, the Baylor Medical Center, the Dallas Convention Center, a huge district made up of large hotels that also have huge amounts of exhibition space, the in-close Love Field, about fifty million square feet of office space to boot, and . . . as we have been discussing in this thread, the best collection of urban shopping centers and luxury car dealerships -- Lemmon Avenue, Highland Park Village, Inwood Village, Lakewood, Preston Center, Northpark Center, and so on, making it the Mecca of shopping in all the southwest and beyond.

Did I miss anything?

Dallas may be the mecca of shopping for the Southwestern region & beyond, but Houston is the undisputed king of dining in the Southwest region & beyond. Dallas' dining scene lacks the culture/diversity which is often times taken for granted in Houston. Try finding a Tex-Mex/Asian fusion restaurant in Dallas with a seafood market to boot. Houston has several.

Speaking of Asian restaurants, Houston's Dim Sum is 1,000 times better than Dallas' & can be eaten any day of the week, not limited to weekends like in Dallas (Richardson).