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Old 05-11-2009, 11:45 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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I see a ton of bashing of the Northeast on the Texan forums. Not to mention the bashing of Californians! So many hypocritical people.

These certain people always complain about people bashing Texas, yet they can go on and group all Northerners/Californians as stuck up, rude, and pampered. Perhaps they should visit the Northeast and California. The people aren't overly friendly, but they aren't rude. People are generally the same everywhere. You can find rude people, kind people, nice people all over the U.S.
+1. Agreed with you 100%. Some of the best people I ever had conservations with have been New Yorkers. It's easy to start a conversation with many New Yorkers. There have been some Texans that felt they were too good to even have a word with you. These type of people exist EVERYWHERE.
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Old 05-15-2009, 05:19 PM
 
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I find it funny that people think Houston is some desert (it's one of wettest/greenest cities in country) people are so ignorant. Although I have to say people from Cali seem to know more people from Chicago and NY however are very provincial and not well-travelled. I feel like people growing up in Chicago or Ny are part of these old school ethnic enclaves and they're more interested in their own little italian/irish hood than actually educating themselves and experiencing the world. There's a lot of ignorance out there we need to combat that kind of mentality is partly what caused the holocaust !!!! Maybe obama will help increase funding to these poorer areas in chicago and ny to educate people and maybe get them out of their conditions!
SPOT ON!!!!!

I grew in the Chicago suburbs and I know this from first hand experience. I am proud of my Polish-American family roots, and there is a lot I do like, simply because I'm from here. But I left the Chicago area (once for another Great Lakes state with a reputation for one of the worst economies right now (college), and again (grad school) for the Rocky Mountain region, which is beautiful granted, but everyone there thinks that everyone who moves in, is destroying their environment).

But back to my point, no offense taken here. You are right about Chicago I see it all the time, I'm sure NY is similar.

I am planning on moving to Texas next year, and I can't wait to move somewhere where people are aware of theirs states heritage, geography, and tradition.

Especially because I teach geography, and doing this in the Chicago area sucks because of this very provincialism you are talking about. Students are particularly disinterested, because they don't consider the greater U.S. around them.

Everything that Chicago has to offer that matters (Wrigley Field is just a ballpark, and deep dish pizza and hot dogs are nothing to write home about) can be found in Austin or Houston. Period.
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Old 05-15-2009, 05:30 PM
 
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No, you're very wrong. They are overwhelmingly special because those areas, or more specifically, San Fran/Chicago/NYC are the only cities of their kind in the United States.

I wrote a very specific cultural observation the other day in a thread that was deleted for no apparent reason. Nevertheless, Chicago and NYC are worth worshipping because they represent true urban nature, with both the ups and the downs of city life.

Texas, and Houston specifically, represent everything hateful about American development: bland, generic suburban development that goes on forever with no end in sight. Chain everything. As boring and underwhelming, as mediocre as this nation can be, it's represented by Texas. But bigger.

They are overwhelmingly special in comparison to Houston, because Houston offers absolutely nothing you won't find in all 50 states and any other country. It's a sun-baked hellhole that wouldn't exist were it not for air-conditioning and the destruction of the Colorado river ecosystems. It's unfortunate that Houston has become the poster child of this nation-wide trend.

New York, Chicago and San Francisco were where minorities of both race and creed stood their ground in our nation and fought for their place. They stood up and grabbed their own territory, and where they couldn't buy they rented in the worst slums, creating an urban renewal process that blended the very best of all cultures.

Texas is where the unique elements of society learned to shop at Walmart.

Total ignorance. I don't even know where to begin.

Chicago:
Flattness, cold, snow, obsession with baseball, thinking rudeness is "real", glorifying organized crime, glorifying pizza and hotdogs. Irish/Italian/Polish Americans doing the white flightAlmost became Detroit. I mean come on!!


I'd rather experience Mexican culture in a beautiful city like San Antonio, or somewhere with wide open spaces and mountains like El Paso, not some grimy dilapidated old working class neighborhood like Pilsen or Cicero.

Look, I'm not a troll. I'm not a negative person. Theres a lot thats great about Chicago, and those aforementioned cities. But you know what, Texas is more livable, and I can't wait to move there.

Chicago, NY, and San Fran maybe be better cities as tourists. But Texas cities are more livable, and have more to offer for those who want to settle down and start a family.

In these cities, its either dense, expensive, yet vibrant areas, or ghetto. Thats the truth. Sort of. Again, I'm only saying this, because the "real city" arrogance is something I can't stand. You can have your "real city." I'd rather live somewhere where theres ubiquitess greenery and laid back friendliness, even if it runs the tiny risk of being "insincere".
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Old 05-15-2009, 05:39 PM
 
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No, you're very wrong. They are overwhelmingly special because those areas, or more specifically, San Fran/Chicago/NYC are the only cities of their kind in the United States.

I wrote a very specific cultural observation the other day in a thread that was deleted for no apparent reason. Nevertheless, Chicago and NYC are worth worshipping because they represent true urban nature, with both the ups and the downs of city life.

Texas, and Houston specifically, represent everything hateful about American development: bland, generic suburban development that goes on forever with no end in sight. Chain everything. As boring and underwhelming, as mediocre as this nation can be, it's represented by Texas. But bigger.

They are overwhelmingly special in comparison to Houston, because Houston offers absolutely nothing you won't find in all 50 states and any other country. It's a sun-baked hellhole that wouldn't exist were it not for air-conditioning and the destruction of the Colorado river ecosystems. It's unfortunate that Houston has become the poster child of this nation-wide trend.

New York, Chicago and San Francisco were where minorities of both race and creed stood their ground in our nation and fought for their place. They stood up and grabbed their own territory, and where they couldn't buy they rented in the worst slums, creating an urban renewal process that blended the very best of all cultures.

Texas is where the unique elements of society learned to shop at Walmart.

Oh and another thing.

I hate racism just as much as anyone else. I do. But you know what: These days the average African American or Mexican American probably has a much better quality of life in Texas. I don't know for sure. But I do know that a higher percentage

Standing ground and fighting for ones place, often times creates more divisions. People get turned off when one group has belligerent attitudes. This is why Chicago (and NY probably) are more segregated than in Texas.

I don't care about standing ones ground. I care about the end result. Where do you find a higher percentage of African Americans and hispanics that are in the middle class. I don't have stats to back it up, but I'm sure Texas has a higher percentage of it. (Even though Texas struggles with urban and rural poverty and crime just as anywhere else).

Theres nothing wrong with assimilation. I love the Texan, be friendly and welcoming to newcomers, but yet expect good attitudes toward your home sate.
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Old 06-22-2009, 05:57 PM
 
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Default Ya Hoooo

I have lived in Ohio, Atlanta, Indiana, Virginia, Nebraska, Washington State, and Houston. I have had long visits in New York, California, Wash DC, and Chicago, Ill. Houston has the worst weather anywhere (in the summer), and the worst traffic. However, I think the main reason most people hate Houston is because they have problems with Texas itself; justice and helping children, or the poor, take a mean backseat to anything to do with guns and the good 'ol boy cowboy mentality. It's very frustrating for anyone who's not a meanspirited, (not all conservatives are mean), Conservative to feel comfortable in Houston.
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Old 06-22-2009, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Center Twp, PA
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I have lived in Ohio, Atlanta, Indiana, Virginia, Nebraska, Washington State, and Houston. I have had long visits in New York, California, Wash DC, and Chicago, Ill. Houston has the worst weather anywhere (in the summer), and the worst traffic. However, I think the main reason most people hate Houston is because they have problems with Texas itself; justice and helping children, or the poor, take a mean backseat to anything to do with guns and the good 'ol boy cowboy mentality. It's very frustrating for anyone who's not a meanspirited, (not all conservatives are mean), Conservative to feel comfortable in Houston.
Okay, hold on. Now, I do not like living in the Houston area, at all; but...I would certainly not say that we put guns and a "cowboy mentality" above anything, especially our children. That was not a smart comment for you to make.
I am not a conservative, so I will leave that comment alone.
Yes, Houston does have the worst weather and traffic I have ever seen, I will agree with that statement, and only that statement.
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Old 06-23-2009, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Upper East Side of Texas
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Okay, hold on. Now, I do not like living in the Houston area, at all; but...I would certainly not say that we put guns and a "cowboy mentality" above anything, especially our children. That was not a smart comment for you to make.
I am not a conservative, so I will leave that comment alone.
Yes, Houston does have the worst weather and traffic I have ever seen, I will agree with that statement, and only that statement.
Define worse. Houston traffic is tame compared to LA & Dallas was recently ranked 2nd worse city to drive in.

About the weather in Houston. Some people don't mind the humidity, most tropical places are very humid, the palm trees sure love it. Miami is just as flat, hot, & humid as Houston & people don't complain because its Miami. Houston always seems to get criticized for the same things other "great" cities get praised for. I don't get it.
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Old 06-23-2009, 11:48 AM
 
Location: The Village
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Bashing Texas is different from bashing Houston.

Most Dallasites don't particularly like Houston. They see it as dirty and lower-class than Dallas. They dislike the humidity there. They don't think there's anything really of value in Houston. However, Dallas and Houston are very similar cities and most Dallasites just won't want to admit this. It also goes vice versa. It's a friendly rivalry between sister cities who are very much similar but who both want to be superior to one another.

Bashing Texas is something completely different, something done by damnyankees and Calicommies who think that our state is a backwater cesspool and needs to be reformed to their standards. It's people who move into a new place and complain about EVERYTHING, who act antithecal to the traditional culture, who don't show respect for basic politeness and friendliness. These are the people who are bashing Texas, and all I can really say is "let em." Who the hell wants to live in California anyways?
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Old 06-23-2009, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Abilene, Texas
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Define worse. Houston traffic is tame compared to LA & Dallas was recently ranked 2nd worse city to drive in.

About the weather in Houston. Some people don't mind the humidity, most tropical places are very humid, the palm trees sure love it. Miami is just as flat, hot, & humid as Houston & people don't complain because its Miami. Houston always seems to get criticized for the same things other "great" cities get praised for. I don't get it.
You make some very good points. There are a lot of cities near or on the gulf and southern east coast that are flat, hot, and humid, Miami being the largest besides Houston of course. It really is ironic how so many people say how wonderful some of these other places are when the environment and in some cases even local activities/amenities are strikingly similar to Houston. I've heard many people from other states say that Houston is the epitome of sprawl. Have any of these people been to south Florida? How about southern California?!! If any place is the epitome of sprawl it's southern California. But because it's LA or Miami, well that's okay.
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Old 06-23-2009, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Charleston Sc and Western NC
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Lone Ranger...The need to reform our state to fit their California standards....you hit the nail on the head with that comment. How would they like it if we rode in to Cali and made it fit Texas Standards?

It's basic manners. Respect your Host.
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