12-17-2008, 05:19 AM
Location: ITL (Houston)
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Originally Posted by
atxcio
You are getting at ridership per mile again. It's very simple, really -- as Houston expands it's rail beyond the 7.5 miles and introduces longer trips (to the outer neighborhoods or airports or the burbs), ridership will go up, but not at the same rate as the increase in miles. Will it take 45 miles for Houston ridership to reach 66K? If they stick to short trips within the inner city neighborhoods, no... they may reach that # in less than 30 miles. Which would be impressive, but that wouldn't be linking IAH or the burbs.
No he's not. Houston's (now) 45,000 riders per day will only increase as the other lines come to completion in a couple of years. The new University Line alone is expected to get 40,000 riders a day upon completion, nearly doubling the ridership now.
12-17-2008, 11:31 AM
Location: NE Atlanta Metro
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Angel713
No he's not. Houston's (now) 45,000 riders per day will only increase as the other lines come to completion in a couple of years. The new University Line alone is expected to get 40,000 riders a day upon completion, nearly doubling the ridership now.
Just stop it! One cannot accurately compare Houston's current one 7.5 mile segment of of rail located in a high density area to Dallas or any other city with an established 40 mile + rail system. It
really is quite simple, as the number of rail miles increase the amount of rpm decreases. Let's compare when Houston has at least 40 miles of operational light rail line with 5+ years of usage. I do realize we will have to wait awhile.
12-17-2008, 02:30 PM
Location: ITL (Houston)
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BBQgritz
Just stop it! One cannot accurately compare Houston's current one 7.5 mile segment of of rail located in a high density area to Dallas or any other city with an established 40 mile + rail system. It
really is quite simple, as the number of rail miles increase the amount of rpm decreases. Let's compare when Houston has at least 40 miles of operational light rail line with 5+ years of usage. I do realize we will have to wait awhile.
Who is talking about riders per mile though because 45,000 riders per miles is definitely not what Houston's system gets. Is it that hard to understand that 45,000 rider per day is what the current Red Line gets? Once you add in more lines to Houston's overall system, then that 45,000 now for METRORail, will only increase. It's expected to double alone with the University Line (expected to draw about 40,000 a day once opening).
12-17-2008, 04:22 PM
Location: Fort Worth/Dallas
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Once Houston's mileage of rail lines increase, ridership will go down per mile. You have a 7.5 mile rail line; of course your riders per mile will be more because there is a
scant number of rail line!
12-17-2008, 04:24 PM
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Did they take the train from Astroworld and run it up to downtown?
12-17-2008, 04:37 PM
Location: ITL (Houston)
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Synopsis
Once Houston's mileage of rail lines increase,
ridership will go down per mile . You have a 7.5 mile rail line; of course your riders per mile will be more because there is a
scant number of rail line!
Of course it would. Who is denying that? We have a 7.5 rail line that gets 45,000 riders per day. The new University Line alone (the only one with predictions that I remember), is expected to get 40,000 riders per day. Notice that I'm not talking about riders per miles, which you and BBQ seem to think.
12-17-2008, 07:37 PM
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Angel713
I agree, except Houston Pavilions is just a small part on what is going on in that section of Downtown Houston. You have the new park (Discovery Green), new 500-foot residential tower, Embassy Suites, new convention center hotel, new rail lines coming in, and all of the office towers going up around it. Not to mention retail already there (especially Macy's).
The concept of VP was good but the idea and the neighborhood was not really executed correctly. They tried building a fancy high class super rich luxurious area from scratch. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. It takes time for those neighborhoods to become like those. River Oaks in Houston didn't start out the way it did. Georgetown in DC did not start out the way it did. Why Ross Perot thought this would work is beyond me.
To get good pedestrian traffic, you need regular people such as ourselves. Too bad they had clothes, food, and shops that us regular people cannot afford. So what's the point of going there if we can't do anything. That's why it failed. Not to mention that there is a huge barrier between West End and VP. I think VP needs to have more affordable residential neighborhoods and more affordable residential retail. Once the neighborhood is settled, than you can get the higher end stuff down there. I think VP can still work out. Just needs to change it's plans.
12-17-2008, 07:58 PM
Location: from houstoner to bostoner to new yorker to new jerseyite ;)
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Did they take the train from Astroworld and run it up to downtown?
Thatta boy!
12-17-2008, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by
Angel713
Of course it would. Who is denying that? We have a 7.5 rail line that gets 45,000 riders per day. The new University Line alone (the only one with predictions that I remember), is expected to get 40,000 riders per day. Notice that I'm not talking about riders per miles, which you and BBQ seem to think.
I will simplify further:
If you TRULY want to talk about ridership only, then there is only one comparison:
1. Houston has 39,500 riders per day
2. Dallas has 65,900 riders per day, or 67% more than Houston.
And that's the end of it. If you choose to mention the length of the rail in either city, then SORRY, but you are talking about ridership compared to miles, or ridership per mile. See how easy it is when the rules of logic are applied?
12-17-2008, 10:45 PM
Location: Underneath the Pecan Tree
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Originally Posted by
atxcio
I will simplify further:
no for the whole 45 mile rail line in Dallas, it is 65,900 and for the 7 miles in Houston it is 39,500. Were not talking rpm, you guys keep bringing it up because you know Houston is pretty close to Dallas in ridership, even with just a 7 mile rail line.
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Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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