Houston vs. Dallas (San Antonio, Austin, Round Rock: castle, Korean, parks)

[Spade]

Originally Posted by Guerilla

And Austin is suburban in Downtown.

lol.
I do give Austin props though. If it is suburban now, it will not be that way in the near future. What's going on in downtown Austin is unbelievable. Towers going up left and right and dense townhomes infilling in. Won't even recognize the place. Great job Austin.

[Guerilla]

Yeah, Austin has some nice developments going up. The tallest building in Austin is under construction and a building taller than that is proposed.

[KerrTown]

Originally Posted by Spade

Yes it is. If anybody thinks otherwise, they are clueless. I'm sorry. A city with over 700,000 and growing faster than every other big city in Texas outside San Antonio with a metro population pushing 1.6 million is a major city in Texas.

Austin will decline once the capital is securely back in Houston. What's so good about Austin? It's overrated.

[Guerilla]

Originally Posted by KerrTown

Austin will decline once the capital is securely back in Houston. What's so good about Austin? It's overrated.

The capital won't ever be back in Houston. It is in Austin for good, unless a meteor comes in and takes out Central Texas.

[sogod]

Originally Posted by Guerilla

I wouldn't say a tier below. HP operates its largest facility in Houston.

I work in IT, it is a tier below.

[Guerilla]

Originally Posted by sogod

I work in IT, it is a tier below.

Yes, I already acknowledged that. It would be like saying the UT SW Medical Center in Dallas is on the same tier as the TMC in Houston (which it isn't; the Dallas one is a tier below).

[sogod]

Originally Posted by Guerilla

How can Dallas "hold its own", but Houston still be far more diverse? It is either one of the other. DFW does not come close to Houston's diversity. Houston has more Asians than DFW, despite having about 500,000 less people than DFW. Houston has the third largest Nigerian population in the world. It has a top five Vietnamese population in the U.S. (I actually believe it is third).

Dallas and Houston are essentially the same as far as diversity goes. You will find the same ethnic groups in both cities for the most part, and most groups have a sizable number of people. Maybe Houston has more Nigerians, Vietnamese, and Mexicans, but Dallas has more Germans, Koreans, and Swedes.

As for the foreign consulars thing, I think its probably more related to the international businesses in Houston (i.e. OIL) than the diversity of the people. There is no way Houston is "twice" as diverse as Dallas or even some smaller metros (like Sacramento) which is what those numbers might imply.

Also, even without considering international businesses, its a pretty weak indication of diversity since Dallas could have exactly the same ethnic makeup as Houston, except with more people beings citizens rather than foreign nationals, and that would explain why Houston has more foreign consulars.

[sogod]

Originally Posted by Guerilla

I wouldn't say a tier below. HP operates its largest facility in Houston.

Originally Posted by Guerilla

Yes, I already acknowledged that. It would be like saying the UT SW Medical Center in Dallas is on the same tier as the TMC in Houston (which it isn't; the Dallas one is a tier below).

Didn't you say Houston wasn't a tier below Dallas earlier though?

[sogod]

Originally Posted by mpope409

I didn't say that Houston's diversity alone made it more cosmpolitan, but it's definitely a crucial factor. The most crucial factor.

I'm still interested in hearing what could possibly make Dallas more cosmopolitan than Houston.

But don't you see, you have redefined cosmopolitan to meet what you think it should mean (diversity being "the most crucial factor"). It doesn't mean that. It barely means anything. Its an extremely vague term that means different things to everyone.

To me cosmopolitan conjures up an image of wealth and sophistication and urbanity and a diversity of types of people (types in the sense of personality and character, not necessarily skin color). Thats why Tokyo and Paris can be cosmopolitan even though they are not as diverse as any large American city.

I don't know that Dallas is more cosmopolitan in this regard, but it seems that way. Not hugely so, but somewhat. But, like I was saying its just an opinion, and I'm sure since you have spent much more of your life in Houston than Dallas you would feel the opposite way.

[Guerilla]

Originally Posted by sogod

Dallas and Houston are essentially the same as far as diversity goes. You will find the same ethnic groups in both cities for the most part, and most groups have a sizable number of people. Maybe Houston has more Nigerians, Vietnamese, and Mexicans, but Dallas has more Germans, Koreans, and Swedes.

As for the foreign consulars thing, I think its probably more related to the international businesses in Houston (i.e. OIL) than the diversity of the people. There is no way Houston is "twice" as diverse as Dallas or even some smaller metros (like Sacramento) which is what those numbers might imply.

Also, even without considering international businesses, its a pretty weak indication of diversity since Dallas could have exactly the same ethnic makeup as Houston, except with more people beings citizens rather than foreign nationals, and that would explain why Houston has more foreign consulars.

I think Houston has more Koreans since Korean Air may be pulling out of DFW in favor of IAH. And yeah, Dallas does have diversity, but it is segregated and does not have as much diversity as Houston. Houston really is "twice" as diverse as Dallas. It isn't oil. If that is the case, then why does Chicago have as many foreign consulars as Houston, when Houston basically equals Chicago in diversity?