Houston vs. Dallas (Fort Worth, Commerce, Campbell: farms, 2014, apartment)

[TexasTallest]

Originally Posted by BCB

Houston, we have another problem. Your urban core ISN'T walkable!
Neither is that uber-dense TMC.
Dallas' Farmer's Market is more walkable than Houston's most walkable neighborhood, Midtown.
People in Dallas can walk to an average of 0.9 restaurants, bars and coffee shops in 5 minutes.
People in Houston can walk to an average of 0.5 restaurants, bars and coffee shops in 5 minutes.

Walk Score/Transit Score

Top five Dallas urban core neighborhood averages-82/70
Top five Houston urban core neighborhood averages-70/69

Dallas

Main Street District-97/87
Government District-95/87
City Center District-90/84
Farmer's Market-82/77
Oak Lawn-76/57
M Streets-71-50
Oak Cliff-62/50

Houston

Midtown-81/82
Montrose-79/53
Downtown-77/88
Museum District-71/63
Fourth Ward-70/78
University Place-66/59
TMC-49/61

LMFAO..

i just searched "downtown Dallas" walkability score on that same site.. it was a 68 (Dallas TX - Walk Score).. looks like downtown Houstons walkability at 77 is much better than Dallas. i guess it is DALLAS that has the problem and needs to work on walkability in the core...

[RayStokes]

Originally Posted by TexasTallest

LMFAO..

i just searched "downtown Dallas" walkability score on that same site.. it was a 68 (Dallas TX - Walk Score).. looks like downtown Houstons walkability at 77 is much better than Dallas. i guess it is DALLAS that has the problem and needs to work on walkability in the core...

Actually what you linked isn't downtown Dallas. For some reason downtown Dallas won't even pull up. You type in downtown dallas and it pulls up what you linked to, what it calls northeast Dallas, or "Old East Dallas" as it's actually called.

Downtown Houston and Downtown Fort Worth (which I pulled up for curiosity) both have wrong boundaries, much like city data does.

I can't imagine that the walk scores for downtown Dallas and Houston being much different or noticeable. It's a downtown. Both are going to have restaurants, coffee shops, banks, bars, parks, etc. in walking distance.

[TexasTallest]

lol. fine. the website sucks and caused me to screw up..

doesnt change the fact that very website says Houston (44.2) is more walkable than Dallas (43.6)
Most Walkable Cities in the United States, Canada, and Australia on Walk Score

Originally Posted by RayStokes

I can't imagine that the walk scores for downtown Dallas and Houston being much different or noticeable. It's a downtown. Both are going to have restaurants, coffee shops, banks, bars, parks, etc. in walking distance.

i completely agree. i just think it was RIDICULOUS that BCB thought there was nothing wrong with comparing tiny little sectors of downtown Dallas to all of downtown Houston.

[RayStokes]

Originally Posted by Metro Matt

That's fine & dandy, but where's the water? I suppose after that nice little rain we had surely your dried up creek bed has some water in it albeit temporarily.

How are you not going to include the infrastructure (freeway reconstruction, bike paths, managed lanes, maintenance costs, etc.) in the final cost it takes to build those bridges when that's the most vital thing? How else are cars going to get on those so called bridges from the major arteries surrounding downtown? You can't just build a bridge & call it a day its a little more complicated than that if you know anything about construction work & engineering. I guess until we have hoover cars this won't be an issue, but for now it is.

Another big duhr, duhr, duhr from Raystokes.

I love it when you turn to insults. I'm going to do this one more time very slowly so maybe a light might turn on in your stubborn brain.


You wrongly claimed (as you do often on this forum) that Dallas built a bridge, the Margaret Hunt Hill Bridge, for $1 billion. Then you posted a link crowing that the article backed you up with $798 million. Then as Dallasboi and I pointed out, people who actually read and understood the article, the Margaret Hunt Hill Bridge only cost a little over $100 million to build. Is that a lot? Yes. Could it have been done for cheaper? Sure. But it turned out to be a success as evidenced by the adjacent neighborhood that is currently being turned around.

The rest of that money is an estimate that includes two other bridges that haven't been built yet, another bridge that is for pedestrians and cyclists, and then maintenance, not just on this bridge but all bridges and the freeways nearby. So, no, there is not any single bridge in all of Dallas/Fort Worth that costs anywhere near $1 billion no matter how much you want it to. And this is the last I'm going to post on this subject because it's become tiresome repeating myself to somebody so stubborn and all too happy to live in his delusions.

[RonnieinDallas]

Originally Posted by RayStokes

As Dallasboi pointed out, you didn't even read the article. The bridge costed nowhere near $798 million. That is the estimate for all the bridges they plan on building, including pedestrian/bike bridges, and repair work for I-30 and I-35. So you were actually only off by about $900 million on what the bridge actually cost to build. Good job, Matt.

And it's called an investment to the future. What you call a $500 "scrap" of a neighborhood has already started turning around with lots of new business and will be gentrified into a neighborhood that will be desirable in the near future. I guess Dallas didn't have to build anything to try and inspire growth south of downtown. It sure hurts the narrative of detractors that proclaim "Dallas doesn't care about anybody south of I-30!!!"

Yep, and the ongoing boom in West Dallas has all but silenced the critics:

More trendy apartments planned for West Dallas | wfaa.com Dallas - Fort Worth

DALLAS — "Large Marge" is really rolling now.
The iconic Margaret Hunt Hill Bridge spanning the Trinity River continues to open economic development in West Dallas, energizing that once-stagnant neighborhood.

West Dallas is becoming hotbed of apartment construction | Dallas Morning News

Projects adding up
Now developers are pouring millions in new projects in the area, he said. “If you look at the Belmont, Sylvan Thirty and the Wood Partners deals, those total up to more than $140 million.”

[Metro Matt]

Originally Posted by RayStokes

I love it when you turn to insults. I'm going to do this one more time very slowly so maybe a light might turn on in your stubborn brain.


You wrongly claimed (as you do often on this forum) that Dallas built a bridge, the Margaret Hunt Hill Bridge, for $1 billion. Then you posted a link crowing that the article backed you up with $798 million. Then as Dallasboi and I pointed out, people who actually read and understood the article, the Margaret Hunt Hill Bridge only cost a little over $100 million to build. Is that a lot? Yes. Could it have been done for cheaper? Sure. But it turned out to be a success as evidenced by the adjacent neighborhood that is currently being turned around.

The rest of that money is an estimate that includes two other bridges that haven't been built yet, another bridge that is for pedestrians and cyclists, and then maintenance, not just on this bridge but all bridges and the freeways nearby. So, no, there is not any single bridge in all of Dallas/Fort Worth that costs anywhere near $1 billion no matter how much you want it to. And this is the last I'm going to post on this subject because it's become tiresome repeating myself to somebody so stubborn and all too happy to live in his delusions.

1 bridge, 2 bridges, 3 bridges, or 30 bridges its still close to a billion dollar project once its all said & done. I can almost gaurantee you $798 million won't cover 100% of the final cost. What about the water under neath it, the key feature? Was that factored into getting it full of water too? I bet not.

Dallas builds before it thinks not thinks before it builds. Such as the case with its low ridership at the rail stations.

[dollaztx]

Originally Posted by Metro Matt

1 bridge, 2 bridges, 3 bridges, or 30 bridges its still close to a billion dollar project once its all said & done. I can almost gaurantee you $798 million won't cover 100% of the final cost. What about the water under neath it, the key feature? Was that factored into getting it full of water too? I bet not.

Dallas builds before it thinks not thinks before it builds. Such as the case with its low ridership at the rail stations.

Due to it being a car-oriented metro, I don't think there was any way around this except not building any rail at all or building a very short line for the sole purpose of having a higher ridership per station. The ridership has risen over the years and will continue to do so.

[BCB]

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[R1070]

Originally Posted by TexasTallest

where is Dallas' list of ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTEEN high-rises planned for the city? oh yeah.. didnt think so.

While the sheer number of development going on around Houston is impressive from and economic standpoint. The majority of these highrises don't add much to the urban fabric in terms of creating a cohesive urban environment. There's some that do, but most don't.

[BCB]

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