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Old 05-14-2014, 02:28 PM
 
Location: ITL (Houston)
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Originally Posted by RayStokes View Post
How did you come up with that math?

Houston: 627.8 square miles, 3,503 people per square mile

Dallas: 385.8 square miles, 3,645 people per square mile



The population density is so close it's hardly worth discussing. The only real difference between the two cities is how much larger in land area Houston is. If Dallas were to annex its inner ring suburbs, the two cities would be nearly identical on paper.
Youre using city limits. I said urban areas. Not to mention youre using older numbers for Houston and the new Dallas numbers.

 
Old 05-14-2014, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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Default this is still not an accurate depiction

[ Dallas Dallass. QUOTE=First24;34760393]Land area per MSA:

DFW Metroplex: 8,991 sq miles
Greater Houston: 8,929 sq miles

I stand corrected.[/quote]

yes the land area numbers that are stated are correct however they dont take into account National Wildlife Refuges and National Forests etc. which Houston has far more of
 
Old 05-14-2014, 04:11 PM
 
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Its no way you will make houston smaller than Dallas land wise......its double the size of Dallas...point blank
 
Old 05-14-2014, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Austin/Houston
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Originally Posted by RayStokes View Post
I'm just using the numbers on each city's Wikipedia page. I assumed they were both the most current. My point was only that the density of each city isn't different enough to be noticeable. It was not to boast Dallas over Houston.
Whether you meant to do it or not, you did it.

Considering the fact that we were talking about urban areas and not city limits, AND this being a Dallas VS Houston thread, it looked like there was some hidden agenda there.

See how Dallasites try to play innocent?
 
Old 05-15-2014, 12:57 AM
 
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Originally Posted by stoneclaw View Post
Whether you meant to do it or not, you did it.

Considering the fact that we were talking about urban areas and not city limits, AND this being a Dallas VS Houston thread, it looked like there was some hidden agenda there.

See how Dallasites try to play innocent?

Here was my original post. Do please tell me which part of this implies anything other than the cities are pretty much exactly the same and which part has a "hidden agenda."

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Originally Posted by RayStokes View Post
The population density is so close it's hardly worth discussing. The only real difference between the two cities is how much larger in land area Houston is. If Dallas were to annex its inner ring suburbs, the two cities would be nearly identical on paper.

Again, you all are complaining about these numbers from 2010 for Houston instead of 2012, yet none of you have posted the more recent numbers. Is that because you all already know that it really doesn't make a difference or change what I said and you just want to continue to argue for argument's sake?


So unless Houston has significantly increased its population density in two years, which let's all be honest, it hasn't, it really doesn't change that Dallas and Houston's population densities aren't noticeably different at all. And defining which parts of Houston and Dallas are the "urban parts" seems like an endless debate over intangibles that can't be proven. Y'all have fun with that, though.

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Old 05-15-2014, 04:02 AM
 
Location: NE Atlanta Metro
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Of course, county sizes are larger in the Houston area than in DFW. Urban areas show a better picture, with Houston just a bit denser and on less land.
Not really. Urban area data paints a distorted picture of actual urbanity.

Example; per Census Bureau data, Boston's urban area encompasses only 93 square miles more than DFW, yet averages a population density of 600+ less people per square mile!?!? Philadelphia has almost the same situation.

Anyone who's been to the Boston and Philadelphia areas can probably attest that they're FAR denser than anything in the DFW and Houston areas. UA stats can lie.

List of United States urban areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Originally Posted by jd433 View Post
[ Dallas Dallass. QUOTE=First24;34760393]Land area per MSA:

DFW Metroplex: 8,991 sq miles
Greater Houston: 8,929 sq miles

I stand corrected.

yes the land area numbers that are stated are correct however they dont take into account National Wildlife Refuges and National Forests etc. which Houston has far more of
I doubt there are "far" more areas of undeveopable land in Houston than DFW. There are huge swaths of undevelopable land in the Metroplex around the Trinity Rivers alone.

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Old 05-15-2014, 08:25 AM
 
Location: USA
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Not really. Urban area data paints a distorted picture of actual urbanity.

Example; per Census Bureau data, Boston's urban area encompasses only 93 square miles more than DFW, yet averages a population density of 600+ less people per square mile!?!? Philadelphia has almost the same situation.

Anyone who's been to the Boston and Philadelphia areas can probably attest that they're FAR denser than anything in the DFW and Houston areas. UA stats can lie.

List of United States urban areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



I doubt there are "far" more areas of undeveopable land in Houston than DFW. There are huge swaths of undevelopable land in the Metroplex around the Trinity Rivers alone.
Well in Houston you do have the two HUGE retention basins where George Bush and Cullen parks sit. On a map it equates to the half the size of the inner loop.
 
Old 05-15-2014, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Upper East Side of Texas
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Its no way you will make houston smaller than Dallas land wise......its double the size of Dallas...point blank
Nope

D/FW covers more land area than Greater Houston. It has to, the population is slightly larger.

Density however is almost identical.
 
Old 05-15-2014, 01:58 PM
 
Location: NE Atlanta Metro
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Originally Posted by stoneclaw View Post
Whether you meant to do it or not, you did it.

Considering the fact that we were talking about urban areas and not city limits, AND this being a Dallas VS Houston thread, it looked like there was some hidden agenda there.

See how Dallasites try to play innocent?
Houston boosters want the proverbial 'cake and eat it to' scenario. Some of you guys boast how much population and amenities are contained within the city limits as compared to Dallas, but intentionally forget how much larger the city limits are by comparison. Then, when a metric arises that shows Houston's population and density in a more prominent light (like urban area), all of a sudden you guys want to change to a different metric for reasons like; because Houston's counties are so much bigger than in the DFW region, using urban area stats give a better picture.

Situations like these are a reason Houston and it's boosters are so maligned, at times, on the city vs city forum.

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Originally Posted by rynetwo View Post
Well in Houston you do have the two HUGE retention basins where George Bush and Cullen parks sit. On a map it equates to the half the size of the inner loop.
^ OK, I'm not disputing this info.

Within Dallas' inner loop, the same claim can be made. The Trinity River floodplain, Great Trinity Forest Preserve (along with multiple other preserves), White Rock Greenbelt and so on.. also also add up to a large percentage of undevelopable land area. Dallas also has a large airport taking up a lot of space within the same loop area.
 
Old 05-15-2014, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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Default The Urban areas List

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Originally Posted by First24 View Post
Not really. Urban area data paints a distorted picture of actual urbanity.

Example; per Census Bureau data, Boston's urban area encompasses only 93 square miles more than DFW, yet averages a population density of 600+ less people per square mile!?!? Philadelphia has almost the same situation.

Anyone who's been to the Boston and Philadelphia areas can probably attest that they're FAR denser than anything in the DFW and Houston areas. UA stats can lie.

List of United States urban areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



I doubt there are "far" more areas of undeveopable land in Houston than DFW. There are huge swaths of undevelopable land in the Metroplex around the Trinity Rivers alone.
If you look further down the list you will see that Conroe and The Woodlands are a separate Urban Area from Houston. If You ad Conroe and The Woodlands in the Houston Urban area has more population. However I must admit that comparing Dallas and Houston there really is not that much difference. It is better to compare the 2 with places like Atlanta, Miami, Philadelphia, Orlampa etc. The Houston and Dallas comparison is really a moot point
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