08-11-2007, 07:33 AM
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And how many times has this happened? I listen to Dallas media a lot, and they are all skeptical of the Rangers. I never followed the team, but from what I have heard, this same stuff has been happening with them for years, and many hear in this area feel that it won't be any different. There are like no Ranger fans out here. The stadium is empty the majority of the time, which is sad for a market of this size.
There are tons of Ranger fans in the metroplex. The problem is that it's in the worse possible location of any team at a similar market size. If the stadium was in Dallas, the game would be soldout most, if not all, the time. But Texas has not done this at all whatsoever the past 5 years. They have not traded to get younger or to get pitchers like they did this past week. They always traded for veterans in the past few years and they did it much differently this year. It remains to be seen if it results in something special.
But Detroit was a horrible team for 20 years. But they quietly kept bringing in and trading for people in the farm system. They improved their players through their farm system and look what it resulted into. One of the best teams in baseball and a pennant last year. It can be done. The Rangers will be younger, and have better pitchers in the next couple years.
08-11-2007, 09:42 AM
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Well, I live here, and I find either Astros fans, or no baseball fans. There are the occasional Rangers fans though. The location is a weak excuse. Cowboys games are going to fill up fine in Arlington.
08-11-2007, 09:54 AM
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Well, I live here, and I find either Astros fans, or no baseball fans. There are the occasional Rangers fans though. The location is a weak excuse. Cowboys games are going to fill up fine in Arlington.
That comparison is apples to oranges.
That's because it is the Cowboys. That is because it's one game a week. That's because the games will mostly be on the weekends. That is because this is Texas and we are a football crazed state. The location is not a weak excuse whatsoever. If the stadium was in downtown Dallas, they would see better crowds because the majority of the population is in the Dallas side of the metro.
Hardly anyone from the northern suburbs will drive 45 minutes off to Arlington when they just came off work and out of traffic for a good part of their rush hour, than leave the stadium after 10:30 knowing that they have to deal with traffic once again going back to their homes which will probably take another 45 minutes and when they arrive home, it will be close to midnight knowing they have to get up at 5AM in the morning to deal with traffic to go to work. Hardly anyone will do that on a consistent basis. Sorry, but the location is not a weak excuse. Also, there's a good chance that they probably missed a third of the game while they are in the middle of traffic getting there. And I'm sure there are still thousands of Ranger fans in metroplex.
08-11-2007, 11:31 AM
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So explain the emptiness for the weekend games.
08-11-2007, 12:50 PM
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So explain the emptiness for the weekend games.
There really isn't one. Dallas and Texas in general does not have a baseball history and it really isn't a baseball crazed state. The city and metro revolves around the Cowboys and everybody else is a distant distant 2nd or 3rd. Although, the crowds on the weekends isn't as bad as you make it out to be. The Rangers average 31,000 fans per game. I would bet it would be higher if the stadium was in DTD.
08-11-2007, 01:41 PM
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Don't you think location is getting a bit much now? The Rangers have been in Arlington for like 30 years. If there was strong support, people would make it out to the games.
08-11-2007, 02:24 PM
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Don't you think location is getting a bit much now? The Rangers have been in Arlington for like 30 years. If there was strong support, people would make it out to the games.
Out of Hockey, Baseball, Football, basketball, I would say in this order: Football, Basketball, Hockey, then baseball.
I find Dallas to be like St. Louis treats the Rams. St. Louis is traditionally a hard core baseball town. They rally behind the Rams when they do well, then they dont pay attention when they're down. Whereas St. Louis baseball fans watch them no matter if they're down or up...same with the Cowboys here.
I think if the Rangers ever get their act together....it will be the same...much like the Milwaukee Brewers....where fareweather fans are a plenty.
I just have grown up a national league fan given my time in the Midwest, particularly St. Louis, so it's hard for me to root for the DH.
I'll root for Texas above all American league teams...but just dont feel as strongly for them.
As for attendance, the worst attendance goes to Montreal Expos. One time I went to a game there...there were only 4000 people or so on hand...and when they scored...a "fake crowd" came over the loud speakers to make it seem like there was a lot more cheering going on than 4000 people in a 40,000 seat stadium could ever make!...now that's bad attendance!
No, Rangers 31,000 is ok, but it could be better for a MSA over over 6,000,000.
I do wish the Cowboys new stadium and Rangers' ballpark would have been in Dallas...but I guess that's way past history now! I guess Dallas joins the ranks of places like NYC, who's football teams all play in Jersey, etc, or the former "LA Angels" who play in Anaheim (now Anaheim Angels)
08-11-2007, 02:40 PM
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The Rangers would start drawing if they didn't suck.
08-11-2007, 02:58 PM
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The Rangers would start drawing if they didn't suck.
The Mavs are not on the decline. They won 67 games last year but went up against a bad matchup last season. San Antonio fans still will tell you that they will be one of the top teams again next season. The Mavericks are still young and talented.
08-11-2007, 03:45 PM
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The Mavs were a fluke last season to me. I moved here in January when they were in their prime. The bandwagon got bigger and bigger as the season went on. Once they were eliminated, the fans left. I think the Rockets will do better than the Mavs this year, especially with their offseason additions (Steve Francis, Luis Scola, etc.).
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Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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