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Old 01-11-2019, 10:01 AM
 
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The reality is that the vast majority of illegals arrived by airplane or automobile perfectly legally and then stayed beyond their tourist visa. They're not wetbacks crossing the Rio Grande into the US illegally.


If you want to secure the border against illegal crossing or repel the zombie invasion, you expend ammo, not build a wall. A UA 571-C automated sentry gun every 100 yards (Aliens movie reference) and illegal border crossings would stop forever. It still doesn't do anything to address the vast majority of illegals who entered the United States legally.




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Old 01-11-2019, 11:12 AM
 
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The reality is that the vast majority of illegals arrived by airplane or automobile perfectly legally and then stayed beyond their tourist visa. They're not wetbacks crossing the Rio Grande into the US illegally.


If you want to secure the border against illegal crossing or repel the zombie invasion, you expend ammo, not build a wall. A UA 571-C automated sentry gun every 100 yards (Aliens movie reference) and illegal border crossings would stop forever. It still doesn't do anything to address the vast majority of illegals who entered the United States legally.




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To piggyback on this, 58% of illegal immigrants arrive this way. Building a wall won't even cut the problem in half.
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Old 01-11-2019, 11:18 AM
 
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I absolutely think they work, i know they work.


I can't "guarantee" anything. Nothing in life is a guarantee. Its a fool's errand to "guarantee" a wall will stop "everyone". But it will most certainly greatly reduce illegal crossings.
How do you know they work when there are holes, tunnels, and ladders?

No politics, just provide facts.
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Old 01-11-2019, 11:35 AM
 
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[quote=GeoffD;54119917]The reality is that the vast majority of illegals arrived by ...
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To piggyback on this, 58% of ...
The vast majority, 58% of, statistics are made up.
I will see your lie, and raise you a fact.
Your statements are leftist propaganda, nothing more.
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Old 01-11-2019, 11:47 AM
 
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How do you know they work when there are holes, tunnels, and ladders?

No politics, just provide facts.
Common sense.

Should I have to explain that water is wet too?

Specifically designed Walls and barriers are good at keping people in or out. Its what they do.
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Old 01-11-2019, 01:54 PM
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Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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It's pretty plain that the border wall with Mexico is a survivalist program. As much as they try to deny global warming, rich people well know that it is happening, and the first areas to become uninhabitable will be the tropics. They want a defensible barrier where they can hold off tens of millions of refugees fleeing an ecological disaster. Essentially, they want to make America into a gated community.

I think it's pretty apparent that rich people believe in global warming (or say they do, at least) and that rich people are against building the wall.


If you believe that global warming will cause an influx of people from the south heading north, then it won't be rich people who are hurt; it will be poor people living in the north who get overrun. That actually fits with the reality that it's poor people living in the north who want the wall built.
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Old 01-11-2019, 01:56 PM
 
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You know what's better than a fence?
A 30 foot wall.
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Old 01-11-2019, 02:08 PM
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Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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How do you know they work when there are holes, tunnels, and ladders?

No politics, just provide facts.
CNN's Jim Acosta just went to Texas the other day and stood by a part of the border that has a wall (or fence if you prefer). Jim pointed out that it was quite peaceful there by the wall (or fence). If there were holes, tunnels, and ladders then it would not be so peaceful. Of course, "peaceful" is subjective but Jim is anti-wall and even he said it was peaceful by the wall.


And the other day I was thinking where all those famous 11-foot ladders were. It used to be that every time the subject of a Wall would come up (and it's been discussed since way before President T) someone would always smirk about 11-foot ladders defeating 10-foot fences. Well, where are all those ladders? We already have 700 miles of fences and walls.
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Old 01-11-2019, 02:13 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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The reality is that the vast majority of illegals arrived by airplane or automobile perfectly legally and then stayed beyond their tourist visa..................
That's not true and could not be true.
When you overstay your visa you become trapped in the US. For the first month or so there is not much of a penalty, but the longer you stay the worse it becomes. Eventually you end up on a no-travel list and you cannot use your passport (the one that got you in the US) to get out! You will not be issued a visa to any country without addressing your illegal status. Then, when it is settled, you will be issued an exit visa and never allowed back in legally.
It forces you to go back and forth illegally. So the wall works both ways.
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Old 01-11-2019, 02:16 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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.............And the other day I was thinking where all those famous 11-foot ladders were. It used to be that every time the subject of a Wall would come up (and it's been discussed since way before President T) someone would always smirk about 11-foot ladders defeating 10-foot fences. Well, where are all those ladders? We already have 700 miles of fences and walls.
For all those who want to climb the 30 foot wall with a ladder, here's a good one. As you can see, it costs 565$ and weighs 225 pounds, but it'll sure work to get you up on top of that 30 foot wall. Might want to practice the land-and-roll technique used by paratroopers, though, for when you jump down to the American side. It's gonna sting a little. But if you can walk 35 miles through the desert carrying a 225 pound ladder, you can handle anything.


And here's a grappling hook that oughta work. Throwing it up over the solid steel top of the fence is a bit tricky, but you could practice by throwing 2.5 lb. weights up to the 3rd floor window of a building. I'm a bit of a hoss myself, and I couldn't do it. Maybe you're a bigger hoss, I dunno.


Anyways, lotsa luck to all those who think they can do it. I couldn't. Come to think of it, would you post the time and place of your demonstration? ..... I gotta see this!
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