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Old 01-08-2019, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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It's pretty plain that the border wall with Mexico is a survivalist program. As much as they try to deny global warming, rich people well know that it is happening, and the first areas to become uninhabitable will be the tropics. They want a defensible barrier where they can hold off tens of millions of refugees fleeing an ecological disaster. Essentially, they want to make America into a gated community.

On the fun side, wait until they try to pull eminent domain on those border ranchers. The Bundy Ranch standoff would be a Sunday school picnic by comparison. When they try to chop ranches in half, deny cattle ranchers access to the Rio Grande or cut Indian reservations in half you will see Americans in armed conflict with their government. Flying around in those black helicopters might be hazardous to your health.

Anybody who thinks we could really build a wall coast to coast for only $40 billion still believes in the tooth fairy. I worked up a quick guestimate on the project and came up with a minimum of $130 billion, and probably a max of around $300 billion. Then you have to maintain the thing. Forget the steel spike wall. The scrappers would be tearing it down behind you before it ever got built.

Meanwhile, dig those tunnels. We all know how the Great Wall worked for China. It didn't. By the time a civilization falls to invaders, it has already collapsed from within.
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Old 01-08-2019, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Backwoods of Maine
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This belongs in Politics & Other Controversies.

People upset with Trump's speech tonight are all over CD Forum, starting threads about the wall on boards where the topic does not belong.

Mod notified.
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Old 01-08-2019, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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You may not think it's relevant up there in Maine, but if you are concerned about marauding gangs in the countryside, populate them with people who are used to walking. Face it, 99% of Americans can't make it out of the city limits without a bus ticket. People who have already walked 1000 miles and survived it might be a little more difficult to deal with than some ammo hoarder who still lives in his mom's basement.
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Old 01-09-2019, 01:45 AM
 
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Well, bless your heart. Aren’t you special!
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Old 01-09-2019, 07:07 AM
 
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Without getting too far into politics...

Why not?



A country needs borders.

If we don't have borders we don't have a country.

We are wasting our national treasure on people who are not American citizens when that money should be spent on our own poor and suffering not on people who don't belong here.

They are us in this as a means to import more Democrat voters.

It's going to have a major effect on economy and increase our debt load.

Terrorists are certainly sneaking in

Diseases are being carried over.
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Old 01-09-2019, 07:13 AM
 
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It's pretty plain that the border wall with Mexico is a survivalist program. As much as they try to deny global warming, rich people well know that it is happening, and the first areas to become uninhabitable will be the tropics. They want a defensible barrier where they can hold off tens of millions of refugees fleeing an ecological disaster. Essentially, they want to make America into a gated community.

On the fun side, wait until they try to pull eminent domain on those border ranchers. The Bundy Ranch standoff would be a Sunday school picnic by comparison. When they try to chop ranches in half, deny cattle ranchers access to the Rio Grande or cut Indian reservations in half you will see Americans in armed conflict with their government. Flying around in those black helicopters might be hazardous to your health.

Anybody who thinks we could really build a wall coast to coast for only $40 billion still believes in the tooth fairy. I worked up a quick guestimate on the project and came up with a minimum of $130 billion, and probably a max of around $300 billion. Then you have to maintain the thing. Forget the steel spike wall. The scrappers would be tearing it down behind you before it ever got built.

Meanwhile, dig those tunnels. We all know how the Great Wall worked for China. It didn't. By the time a civilization falls to invaders, it has already collapsed from within.
No, everyone knows the wall wouldn't actually do anything. It's a political tool for the right to try and 'win' this fight with the left and get a leg up in future election cycles.

All the debate around 'the wall' has nothing to do with keeping anyone out of the US.
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Old 01-09-2019, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Texas
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They are already doing the eminent domain thing there. Very sad.
https://www.texastribune.org/2018/06...s-border-wall/
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Old 01-09-2019, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Every president since JFK pushed for improving the existing border 'wall'.

Arguing over it now is entertainment to distract the masses from some other process.
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Old 01-09-2019, 11:47 AM
 
Location: equator
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They are already doing the eminent domain thing there. Very sad.
https://www.texastribune.org/2018/06...s-border-wall/
That's very disturbing. The "people" are powerless against these draconian measures.
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Old 01-09-2019, 01:29 PM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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Why not?

A country needs borders.

If we don't have borders we don't have a country.

We are wasting our national treasure on people who are not American citizens when that money should be spent on our own poor and suffering not on people who don't belong here.

They are us in this as a means to import more Democrat voters.

It's going to have a major effect on economy and increase our debt load.

Terrorists are certainly sneaking in

Diseases are being carried over.
A wall, defending the border to our country, is repugnant
to those who have walls defending them from us commoners.

Just as guns in the hands of common citizens are perceived
as a threat to those who have armed guards protecting them.

(And, in each case, those elitists are supported by useful idiots.)

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They are already doing the eminent domain thing there. Very sad.
https://www.texastribune.org/2018/06...s-border-wall/
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That's very disturbing. The "people" are powerless against these draconian measures.
Since these people have know about this problem and the proposed wall/fence/barrier encroachments for over fifty years, the only reason they are not embracing this is that they are part of the human and drug trafficking problem, and they don't want to see it end.
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