Do you support organized school prayer? (Muslim, gospels, service, principle)
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Students should have a place to go to unwind and just take a deep breath. If some students wish to use that opportunity to pray to their God, that should not be prohibited -- to do so would violate the First Amendment.
I was just anticipating NRA-lobbied law letting/requiring students wear guns to school (as they are allowed to do now at Virginia Tech and other colleges), and thinking about rules that would regulate them. Or like when some senior boys disarm a teacher and take her Bushmaster with a 30-round clip away from her.
Students have class breaks, recess, lunch break and study halls. Pray during that time. Pray before school, or after. Take a moment while you are reading, taking a test, or passing notes to your friends. Pray when the teacher is taking attendance, or when you are waiting to get your homework assignment back. Pray when you are actually in the bthroom. But setting up a chapel and allowing time away from class is a stupid idea.
Students under 18 are very different from adults. Permitting, or even advocating guns in schools is an incredibly stupid idea which will lead to much more bloodshed. Students disarming teachers with assault rifles. Go back to your NRA fueled self indulgent fantasies.
Students should have a place to go to unwind and just take a deep breath (which is not superstition), just as adults can. A toilet is not an ideal place. If some students wish to use that opportunity to pray to their God, that should not be prohibited -- to do so would violate the First Amendment. Maybe if students are given an opportunity to chill out when they need to, they will be less inclined to murder their classmates.
I was just anticipating NRA-lobbied law letting/requiring students wear guns to school (as they are allowed to do now at Virginia Tech and other colleges), and thinking about rules that would regulate them. Or like when some senior boys disarm a teacher and take her Bushmaster with a 30-round clip away from her.
Being Muslim my Grand children have never had any problems saying their prayers privately at school, they simply say them in private during lunch or recess, without disturbing anyone or mentioning what they are doing. Nothing in the laws prevents them from doing that.
If a local city or town wanted to do it, they should have the right. That's what the Founding Fathers wanted. They didn't believe a federal government should be so intrusive as to not allow it. It's up to the local government.
Seeing as it's illegal for the local government to do it, no they shouldn't.
Our Country has slowly removed God from schools. Now there is none. And now murders are being committed in schools. The kids committing the murders were not "brainwashed" by religion. They were brain washed by evil video games, music and all other things not including God. The constitution was not written by God but by man, and politicians no less. When was the last time a politician lifted a finger to do what was best for man kind instead of executing his/her own agenda.
If God is real, then most of you are in deep doo-doo. If he is not..then it's my opinion this country was better off when most people believed in it.
Prayer in school is great whether it be a moment of silence, or even in student groups during religion period. Pray to whatever God you believe in. Conduct your life in a way that would make your God proud if it doesn't involve murdering people. Maybe if Adam Lanza knew a Godly higher power, then people who not have died.
Patently ridiculous argument. We are the most violent country in the Western 1st World. The safest countries with the least violence in the world are also the most secular, with the highest percentage of atheists.
Everywhere in the world, the more religious a nation's population is, the more corrupt and violent it is.
And if you do, would you truly support organized school prayer if the prayers were of Jewish origin and chanted in Hebrew?
No. None of that. Not for Christians, Jews, Muslims, nor any other mainstream religion or commonly known Spiritual Belief. That wouldn't be cool.
Just the Atheists! At the beginning of each Science class.
It should be mandatory they say, not "prayers", but "honor/respect pledges"...for the secular entities they have come up with. That way, it wouldn't be "religion" per se, since it would be only the Atheists, and only to Non-Godly secular entities.
There shall be an "honor pledge" recited by the Atheists...one each for the Flying Spaghetti Monster and the Invisible Pink Unicorn...and, of course, paying special respect to "Bigg Bang" and "Evo Lution".
Do you know if school prayer was in effect in Bath, Michigan, in 1927? If you don't know, what is the relevance of this?
Prayer was hit and miss according to policy of local school boards, before 1962. Nowhere was it statewide policy, until 1955 in New York, when the Regents Prayer was "recommended" for all schools, and that was what was contested in the 1962 Supreme Court ruling.
Furthermore, how would prayer in the classroom at 8 oclock have any influence on a crazed gunman several hours later bursting into the school? Are you implying that if the children in Newtown had prayed that morning, God would have struck down Adam Lanza with a bolt of lightning to protect all the little children from his Glock? Or that God would have answered their prayers by giving the Newtown teachers the wisdom to have their own Bushmaster under their desk?
By the way, in Bath, Kehoe didn't even own a gun. He blew up the school with dynamite.
Do you know if school prayer was in effect in Bath, Michigan, in 1927? If you don't know, what is the relevance of this?
Prayer was hit and miss according to policy of local school boards, before 1962. Nowhere was it statewide policy, until 1955 in New York, when the Regents Prayer was "recommended" for all schools, and that was what was contested in the 1962 Supreme Court ruling.
Furthermore, how would prayer in the classroom at 8 oclock have any influence on a crazed gunman several hours later bursting into the school? Are you implying that if the children in Newtown had prayed that morning, God would have struck down Adam Lanza with a bolt of lightning to protect all the little children from his Glock? Or that God would have answered their prayers by giving the Newtown teachers the wisdom to have their own Bushmaster under their desk?
The argument was that in a back post someone mentioned that the reason for the Newtown Shooting was because God was removed from the schools. I pointing out that the worse massacre occurred before the federal ruling.
I am not implying that if there had been prayer's in the Newtown school the shooting would not have happened.
As a Muslim I am opposed to public prayer in American schools, but I do favor a free 5-15 minutes when the children can pray or not pray silently on their own. Which is allowed today in the schools I am familiar with.
If a local city or town wanted to do it, they should have the right. That's what the Founding Fathers wanted. They didn't believe a federal government should be so intrusive as to not allow it. It's up to the local government.
You folks really don't get why many of us are against organized school prayer, do you? Children's brains are extremely impressionable. If there was organized school prayer, the impressionable brains would assimilate Christianity over time or they would feel pressure to "get with the program" as it were. There are many people that are not Christians who do not wish their children to be Christians, but would rather have their children follow the religion of their culture. Being an American Indian, I want my children to follow the ways of our Comanche people rather than what I consider to be the "white man's religion". This, of course, does not even speak of atheistic people who do not wish their children to follow religion at all.
Does anyone seriously think bringing prayer back into school will stop these types of tragedies from happening???
Let's be realistic folks...schools are made up of children from all different types of religious backgrounds, which is precisely why Christian prayer was removed from the schools. Given the diversity of the people that make up the good ole USA, you would think we've evolved further than this, and can understand why Christian prayer is not mandated in schools.
If this were a Muslim country, would you want your children forced to say Islamic prayers at school? Of course, you would not. So, why then do you feel it is OK to force children of other faiths to be involved in Christian prayer?
It is high time people of this nation start coming together for the good of EVERYONE and not just THEMSELVES...our SELFISHNESS and UNLOVING ATTITUDES will eventually be our downfall if we don't get it together. A public school is just that....for the PUBLIC, which includes people from all different faiths. We cannot cater to one faith, while excluding the others...that would make us not only ignorant but UNAMERICAN as well.
BTW...there are plenty of PRIVATE schools available for your children to attend if you feel they need prayer in school...you do have the option of sending them there. Just saying...
The argument was that in a back post someone mentioned that the reason for the Newtown Shooting was because God was removed from the schools. I pointing out that the worse massacre occurred before the federal ruling.
I am not implying that if there had been prayer's in the Newtown school the shooting would not have happened.
As a Muslim I am opposed to public prayer in American schools, but I do favor a free 5-15 minutes when the children can pray or not pray silently on their own. Which is allowed today in the schools I am familiar with.
It is allowed in schools...private prayer time for each individual, to pray however they want to, to honor whatever faith they adhere to. THAT IS...AS IT SHOULD BE.
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