Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 07-26-2009, 03:13 PM
 
2,981 posts, read 5,459,295 times
Reputation: 242

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by alanMolstad View Post
The bible does not say that God created the sun on the 4th day.
The Bible says that He made two great lights on day four. Everything he made on the days is listed in Genesis 1, which pertain to our creation. On day four, He made the stars and the sun and the moon.
Gen 1:16 And God made/עשה `asah two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also....Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

עשה `asah Gesenius's Lexicon (Help)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 07-26-2009, 03:25 PM
 
2,981 posts, read 5,459,295 times
Reputation: 242
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roxolan View Post
Of all of the possibilities listed (some of which are irrelevant anyway), most explain explain why light might move slower than light-speed. However, in order for a "young" universe to appear old when looking at distant stars, light would have to move faster. Thus the only interesting part is the last one - a 20 years old hypothesis that currently isn't supported by evidence and in fact would require major changes in physical laws to work.
God did not create by using 'laws' of physics. He spoke, and whatever He said came to be in the six evenings and mornings of creation week -24 hour days.
God made the light on day 1. He stretched out the 'heavens' by dividing the waters from the waters, and the firmament between them is the heaven[s] which he stretched out. The light was already created, and the firmament stretched out contained the light within it which was already created by saying "let there be light", and which was separated from the darkness and called "day", on day 1, an evening and a morning.
Before the sun, moon and stars were made on day 4, the light already was called into being and the heavens were stretched out and the waters were divided from the waters and there are waters above the heavens in which he set the sun, moon, and stars.

The sun and stars are not light sources, but governors of the light source which was created on day 1.

That is Bible truth.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-26-2009, 03:32 PM
 
4,474 posts, read 5,416,945 times
Reputation: 732
Quote:
Originally Posted by kdbrich View Post
If God chose the process to light things being that waves of light would hit them...why is it not possible that he'd create the waves en route? I guess to me that seems as logical as creating a man/woman that are in appearance at least teenagers.

I've been told that there are a lot of dating methods that point to a young earth. The ones that you hear about are the carbon and radiometric dating methods.
Your scriptures specifically state that Jehovah is done creating things, so the idea that he would create something "en route", meaning creating things now, goes against your scriptures.

Also, the only dating methods that support YEC are guesses and opinions. Scientific dating methods, two of which you list, all point to an earth at least 4 billion years old.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-26-2009, 03:33 PM
 
6,034 posts, read 10,689,303 times
Reputation: 3990
Quote:
Originally Posted by yeshuasavedme View Post
The Bible says that He made two great lights on day four. Everything he made on the days is listed in Genesis 1, which pertain to our creation. On day four, He made the stars and the sun and the moon.
Gen 1:16 And God made/עשה `asah two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also....Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

עשה `asah Gesenius's Lexicon (Help)
The moon isn't a light source.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-26-2009, 03:34 PM
 
4,474 posts, read 5,416,945 times
Reputation: 732
Quote:
Originally Posted by yeshuasavedme View Post
The Bible says that He made two great lights on day four. Everything he made on the days is listed in Genesis 1, which pertain to our creation. On day four, He made the stars and the sun and the moon.
Gen 1:16 And God made/עשה `asah two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also....Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

עשה `asah Gesenius's Lexicon (Help)
The moon isn't a light like the sun.

Ancient man, of course, had no diea that the moon reflects light, and doesn't generate light itself.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-26-2009, 03:35 PM
 
4,474 posts, read 5,416,945 times
Reputation: 732
Quote:
Originally Posted by yeshuasavedme View Post
God did not create by using 'laws' of physics. He spoke, and whatever He said came to be in the six evenings and mornings of creation week -24 hour days.
God made the light on day 1. He stretched out the 'heavens' by dividing the waters from the waters, and the firmament between them is the heaven[s] which he stretched out. The light was already created, and the firmament stretched out contained the light within it which was already created by saying "let there be light", and which was separated from the darkness and called "day", on day 1, an evening and a morning.
Before the sun, moon and stars were made on day 4, the light already was called into being and the heavens were stretched out and the waters were divided from the waters and there are waters above the heavens in which he set the sun, moon, and stars.

The sun and stars are not light sources, but governors of the light source which was created on day 1.

That is Bible truth.
Well, I will say this much, you're a good source for comic relief on this forum.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-26-2009, 03:58 PM
 
3,067 posts, read 4,106,308 times
Reputation: 245
nope, people that say the Bible teaches that God made the sun on the 4th day are in error.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-26-2009, 04:03 PM
 
3,067 posts, read 4,106,308 times
Reputation: 245
Quote:
Originally Posted by yeshuasavedme View Post
On day four, He made the stars and the sun and the moon.
Such error!....
Try reading it again...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-26-2009, 04:06 PM
 
3,067 posts, read 4,106,308 times
Reputation: 245
I think that before you add to the text like this and try to tell people that God made the 'sun" on the 4th day, you should go back and look to see if that is the teaching of the text?

It is not!

Remember, what does the Bible say is the very first thing God made in the beginning?
You cant get the 4th day right if you dont know what God made on the 1st day!...LOL
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-26-2009, 04:11 PM
 
2,981 posts, read 5,459,295 times
Reputation: 242
Quote:
Originally Posted by alanMolstad View Post
Such error!....
Try reading it again...
I'll post it again so that you may try reading it again. It really is not hard to do if you set your mind to it. He "made" the "menorrah's" on day 4, which refract the light which He made on day 1, and which Light was stretched out with the heavens and in which firmament the lights/chandeliers, which He made on day 4 were set, to govern the light and rule the day and the night.

Quote:
The Bible says that He made two great lights on day four. Everything he made on the days is listed in Genesis 1, which pertain to our creation. On day four, He made the stars and the sun and the moon.
Gen 1:16 And God made/עשה `asah two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also....Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

עשה `asah Gesenius's Lexicon (Help)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top